Mixed-Up Churches: Aiming for Multi-Cultural Glory
Posted: 07/08/2008
Mixed-Up Churches: Aiming for Multi-Cultural Glory
Jim Elliff
Is it better to have Caucasian churches, Black churches, Korean churches, Farmer churches and Rock-driven churches, or to mix them up?
Recently I read an unambiguous advertisement for a church in our city. It read, "We sing the old hymns." That was it. Contrary to what this group might imagine, it epitomized the most radically popular view of church growth—the homogenous principle.
Is it right to have an Old Hymns church?
I also read in our newspaper about the new Mustang Church. Two ordained ministers have constructed a building for the launch of this innovative church. Mustang automobiles are diagonally positioned down each side of the auditorium, with pews in the middle. A huge picture of Jesus driving a Mustang Ford fills up the front wall. Any question about the kind of people they wish to reach?
The homogenous principle of church growth has been around for some years now, but it is still caressed as if it is the newest baby in the church growth nursery. It says, simply, that churches are to aim at a cultural subgroup of society in their appeal, advertising and organizing in such a way as to draw people from that cultural subset as their target. The other people, well, they can just find another place that fits them.
But is this a correct view?
The New Testament screams, "NO!" In fact, I would say that very few growth strategies have been as far from the biblical mark as this one that has dominated the minds of most seminaries, pastors, missionaries and church growth specialists for the last twenty years. It has nearly killed evangelicalism and it has made the church ugly and deformed.
The biggest challenge for the early church was bringing Jewish background people and Gentile background people together in Christ. Read Romans and Ephesians to see this, for instance. Once converted to the Savior, there was never any question that new believers were to live together in a new Christian culture, whatever the cost. That took tolerance, diligence to preserve unity, and vigilance. It took the Spirit.
When Paul started churches in various locations, he did not start a Jewish church on one side of town, a Gentile one on the other, a Barbarian one on the other side of the tracks, and a Scythian one on the hill. This well-bred Jew, who once believed that Gentiles were dogs, had a renewed mind and a clear view of God's plan. In fact, it was the "mystery" long hidden and now revealed, that Gentiles and Jews are included in Christ, which comprised his main message. He wasn't about to preach another message through his church planting methods than he proclaimed through his mouth. No, these were going to be "mixed-up" churches.
I recently sat with a Korean pastor, enjoying some real fellowship in Christ. He explained that in his church "we are like the Jews," by being an exclusively Korean church. He is right, and it isn't pretty. His people speak English, but in order to enjoy their own culture, they are refusing to gather with the believers who are English-speaking. I realize that language sometimes makes being together impossible. But his case was different. As much as I can feel for cultures that wish to stay together because it is comfortable, the choice to be exclusive is religious snobbery. I believe this pastor is seeing this error.
When Peter began to remove himself from his Gentile brothers upon the arrival of some professing Jewish followers, Paul rebuked him before everyone. He accused him of acting like an unconverted Jew through his exclusivity. The gospel preaches that believers are all one, and our association with each other preaches it in living color (see Gal. 2:11-14). Remember, as well, that Peter was the one who received the vision of the unclean animals in the sheet, which was intended to reveal that the Gentiles are welcomed by God into His family when converted! Because the gospel was at stake, Paul could not afford to let this hypocrisy go unaddressed, even if it was Peter who sinned.
I understand that people in town may not understand your insistence on bringing your white brothers into your church, or your Hispanic friends into your fellowship. I also know it might be hard to make it happen. But it is glorious to do so and must be the aim of each church. Paul labored through the obvious differences and constantly worked on the hearts of the people to accept one another. It's a whole lot easier to be "with your own kind," but it does not demonstrate the real power of the gospel.
When an 80 year old hymn-singing grandmother kneels beside a newly converted rock-oriented street-wise kid, it is glorious beyond imagination. Only God could do that, and everyone in town will know it. "This is God showing off" says one professor friend of mine. Indeed it is! It's the mixed-up church that looks like heaven.
"There is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all" (Col. 3:11).
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We are called to be in unity, not unanimity. Our churches are like separate bands playing the same tune (sometimes) instead of many instruments playing one piece together. I am not sure what this article will do in the larger discussion but Lord knows we need the lesson.
In Essentials, Unity; in Non-essentials, Liberty; in All Things, Charity
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
By what definition?
Posted On: 08/20/08 02:01:27 PM
Age 55, OK
"In Essentials, Unity; in Non-essentials, Liberty; in All Things, Charity Grace and Peace."
Sounds good but where did this come from? It's not biblically true. Charity, grace and peace in all things, but:
Who defines what "essential" is? Jesus referred to the significance of every jot and tittle.
Who defines what "non-essential" is? We are commanded to purse a UNITY in our faith, becoming of one mind.
We cannot, biblically, "agree to disagree." We must constantly strive toward a correct understanding of the Word. Contradictory ideas that cannot both be true create disharmony, strife and conflict.
The end result is like Israel where everyone does what is right in his or her own eyes.
At best we can only agree THAT we disagree. Then, like iron sharpening iron, we must unceasingly examine all things, seeking to know what is true. Click here to reply to this post
The Real Reason
Posted On: 07/09/08 02:11:25 PM
Age 18, SOUTH AFRICA
I think the question should be asked, why do churches want to address a specific subculture? And I believe that the answer is generally that without the subculture, attendees will have nothing in common. This, however, is not the case where a group of saved people meet, "an 80 year old hymn-singing grandmother" and "a newly converted rock-oriented street-wise kid" have something supernatural in common when they are both adopted children of God.j3 Click here to reply to this post
One quick comment-
Posted On: 07/09/08 01:08:52 PM
Age 43, OR
The argument that I think is rational for having Korean churches or Hispanic churches or what have you, is that many people are most comfortable talking and hearing of spiritual things, worshiping, praying, etc.- in their native language. Listening to a sermon that you don't understand brings you no benefit, and singing in another language is but an exercise in phonetics. My Russian neighbor goes to a Russian church. He also takes English language classes there- but when it comes to God, Russian is what he speaks. And I don't think that we should change that. Click here to reply to this post
Amen
Posted On: 07/09/08 12:33:02 PM
Age 48, GA
This message was very heart warming. Somebody sees the big NT picture. American evangelicalism is big on proclaiming the gospel while denying the power thereof. God is much bigger than our ethnic group and it is high time we submitted our ethnic distinctions to Him. Let's see what he will do.
Thank you for this! Click here to reply to this post
Extremely Important Insight
Posted On: 07/09/08 09:02:25 AM
Age 33, TX
This is a hugely important point that I have tried to convey to my PD/SS pastor friends for years. But, their eyes roll back in their heads, they don't get it. In our community we have cowboy churches, biker churches, and coming soon, I suppose, will be CPA churches, plumber churches, and who knows what else. One church in our community has a sign in front that says, "What's your Flavor?" That about sums it up.
Several "false" assumptions are driving these developments. First, the idea of multiculturalism is that all cultures are equal. This would be true if no standard of truth existed. This notion leads to the second false assumption which is that all cultural forms are neutral or carry no baggage. This is basis on which Rick Warren claims that music is neutral, which is obviously false, although most people in evangelical circles parrot this statement. Thus, Christian lyrics are put to angry, rebellious death metal music as if the music carried no cultural content. Strange fire, indeed.
But strangest of all is the notion that Christians are the only ones without a culture and must borrow from and imitate every other culture. The PD/SS people have so twisted these issues around, and so many have been convinced of their views that I am not sure these matters can be untangled anytime soon.
Thank you so much for making one of the most important points that could be made: the Faith is a culture, distinct, different, and true. It is this Kingdom Culture by which all other cultures will one day be measured. W.S.
P.S. My age is an "estimate." Age is used to stereotype people especially in PD/SS circles, another cultural issue. Click here to reply to this post
Stance on Music is Based on Preference and not Scripture
Posted On: 07/09/08 11:48:23 AM
Age 40, NH
Brother or Sister From TX,
Music is neutral and must be considered to be so otherwise Greek hymns and songs based in the pagan culture of the first centuries AD would have been wrong because of the cultural connection to paganism. Same with the great hymns of ancient and latter centuries that came from the pagan cultures of the Germainc tribes, England and others. It doesn't matter if the metal praise of today is the same musical form of the angry, unsaved musicians anymore than it matters that Greek songs were based on the same style of the music made for the sexual and polytheistic practices of ancient Greece.
If this is not true then we must through out all musical forms that are not from ancient Israel. Otherwise, it is a preference based system which fits in quite well with the culture in our churches today.
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
Music might be a preference but we need to make sure it glorifies God!
Posted On: 07/10/08 01:02:57 PM
Age 23, KS
Music should be something that glorifies God. If you take Christian words and put them to an angry screaming metal rock song, how is that glorifying to God? Plus, bands that do that normally make it so you can't even understand the words so how is an unbeliever going to know the truth if they can't even tell the difference between the christian song and the non-christian song? I'm not saying that all christian rock is bad, I'm just saying that you can discern the spirit of the music and tell whether it glorifies God or not. The last time that I saw a "rock" worship service it made my stomach turn because it looked like a secular rock concert and an unbeliever would have fit right in and not know that they need to turn from their evil ways and seek the Lord. Click here to reply to this post
Yes music is only worship when glorifying God
Posted On: 07/12/08 05:23:35 PM
Age 40, NH
1. The music of metal is not angry if it wasn't anger that made it come to paper for the artist. That is an assumption that all metal music is angry, it is also a wrong assumption. I am someone who since his early days (about 9 years old) has enjoyed metal, (both secular and Christian artists) and there is nothing "angry" about Demon Hunter and most other artists that are metalheads.
2. The "I can't understand the words" has been used by people for almost all forms of music which they didn't like and is therefore not valid. Much of rap I don't understand but I do know that people under the age of me (40) usually can understand rap just fine.
3. And as for the stomach turning from performances, the last "traditional" concert of "excellence" was more about the people performing than glorying God. That can be used of any musical performance that is bad. Most would think the original Hebrew psalms would be "not of the spirit" because they would sound like nothing but noise (look at the instruments and notice the sounds those instruments made/make).
Luther using a bar room tune wasn't considered "glorifying" because of the normally drunken state in which the tunes were and are sung. His critics were wrong.
Greek music (OK, all music outside of Hebrew music) was not considered "glorifying" because of the usual sexual or polytheistic nature of the style of music. There critics were wrong.
Your comment that, "you can discern the spirit" in music is obviously not anywhere close to accurate. Maye you can sometimes and maybe the concert you say was not God-honoring (I wasn't there and I don't know) but you are making blanket statements that are wrong and demonstrate that your discernment leaves room for improvement my brother. Ask our Father for better discernment so you aren't falsely accusing others (like me) that they are "angry" when they either write the music or listen to it.
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
My comment was in general, not directed at you
Posted On: 07/13/08 10:40:02 PM
Age 23, KS
I did not say that all metal music is angry. You are jumping to conclusions and assuming things that are incorrect. My point is that whatever style of music it is it needs to glorify God and if an unbeliever is present they need to be able to hear the difference between the christian song and secular music. God has given us the gift of discernment and we should all use it wisely. Click here to reply to this post
I am in the General
Posted On: 07/15/08 05:33:28 AM
Age 40, NH
You said, "If you take Christian words and put them to an angry screaming metal rock song, how is that glorifying to God?" so please tell me how this would give anyone the impression that metal is not angry? Since 99% of Christian metal artists don't rip off someone else's music and put Christian lyrics to the music you have either limited yourself to 1% or less of the Christian artists or have made a wrong statement.
Your contention that a Christian will be able to discern the difference is not correct since we can see how that is historically incorrect with all those who claimed to be mature, discerning Christians were unable to understand the Keith Greens, Randy Stonehills or rap and determined they are not from God or God honoring.
If you want God honoring and theologically correct lyrics, pick up either "The Ambassador" or "The Cross Movement." Both are rap acts and I can't understand half of what they are saying but those younger than I understand it quite well. Most "mature and discerning" Christians I know above the age of 40 hear it and think it isn't honoring to God but if I present them with what it says in another style, they think it is great. That is preference and not discernment.
Discernment is knowing the difference between Godly and ungodly, wisdom and foolishness and that has nothing to do with you or I being able to understand the words to a musical score, it has to do with understanding the spirit.
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
chill out, this is a disputable matter
Posted On: 07/19/08 10:57:49 AM
Age 23, KS
dude, I think you like to argue for argument's sake. Plus, I love Keith Green's music. I'm sorry, but when you are sounding exactly like the world and a non-christian cannot tell the difference then there is a problem there. I know that you are too stubborn to accept anything anyone else says so hopefully the spirit will work on you. Click here to reply to this post
OK....
Posted On: 07/21/08 07:41:46 PM
Age 40, NH
Sir, if you look around these boards at CWN and at say Christian Post, you will find where I have apologized for being wrong and have even (say it isn't so!) changed my mind. I see your spirit of discernment has now come to clairvoyance and can tell me I'm stubborn and can't change my mind when the evidence against your statement is on this very sight.
In the end, you made a very incorrect and opinionated statement about something and have not even attempted to demonstrate where you are correct or that I am incorrect.
You said that people putting Christian words to an angry metal song is not glorifying to God and we agree on that. unfortunately you have provided no evidence of this actually occurring.
Another complaint of yours in this string was about not understanding lyrics. How far does this go is all I am asking really. Does my father (who is dead but would be 95) who couldn't understand the words to Beach Boy songs (now let's imagine those being Christian songs in style)being unable to understand those lyrics make the song unfit for a worship service? He thought electrification of instruments made it too hard to hear the words. I know some (not many but some) of our brothers and sisters who say the same thing, does their thoughts of those songs by Christian artists with lyrics they don't understand make the songs unworthy of worship and not glorifying God?
And finally, I admitted pretty openly that you could be perfectly correct when you said your experience at a Christian rock event was no different from a secular event. So in this string alone, I have admitted you can be correct and that I can't deny or speak to your experience. I only spoke of a similar experience at a "traditional" Christian event making the point that it does happen outside of "rock" events.
You certainly haven't seen me call you "stubborn", "old-fashioned", "close-minded", "judgmental", "immature", "uninformed" or anything else. And to make the last sentence perfectly clear, I am NOT saying you are ANY of those things, they are examples of personal attacks that someone could use on you, me or anyone else in order to win an argument.
So please save your personal attacks on my character when you certainly don't know me well enough to be accurate and you haven't looked at past posts to see that your accusation is false.
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
hmmmmmmm.......
Posted On: 07/22/08 05:13:19 PM
Age 23, KS
ok this is the last time I will reply because you have taken this way too far. I only called you stubborn because you keep beating a dead horse in your comments. And that is not attacking you it is making an accurate statement. I will give you an example of a band that I have heard played on christian radio stations that I would never be able to tell that it is supposed to be a christian band. Flyleaf. Look it up if you have not heard it. Ok now, I am a 23 year old female who is a music major at a public university. I have heard my share of music in all sorts of genres. When I say that sometimes you can't understand words if they are being screamed, I think I know what I am talking about. A lot of the time that is how christian music gets watered down. I would love it if every christian artist would use the type of lyrics and musical style that Keith Green used and of course you can tell that he is a Christian. My argument is not with you, but with people that say they are christian artists but are so watered down that you cannot even tell. You are arguing with me for the sake of arguing and I am getting tired of it. Now I know that you are going to reply to this, but I most likely will not answer because this has gotten way out of hand. I apologize if you think that I have been trying to prove you wrong. I have just been trying to say that christian artists need to portray themselves as christians so that non-christians can tell the difference between their spirit and a secular band's spirit. That way it will be glorifying to God. Ok enough said. Click here to reply to this post
Ecclesia
Posted On: 07/09/08 08:26:57 AM
Age 61, MO
No matter where you find the word "church" in the Bible, it has been translated from the same Greek word "ecclesia." Ecclesia are the called out ones of God; the Body of Christ; and is other worldly. It transcends race, color, or nationality. Christ does not recognize denominations in His Ecclesia. George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post