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What Triggered Such a Sudden Onslaught of Hard-Core, Mean-Spirited Atheistic Propaganda?



Posted: 05/12/2008

What Triggered Such a Sudden Onslaught of Hard-Core, Mean-Spirited Atheistic Propaganda? 

By David A. Noebel

 

                             The Delusion of Disbelief (David Aikman)

                                    The Devil’s Delusion (David Berlinski)

                                    The Irrational Atheist (Vox Day)

                                    God’s Undertaker (John C. Lennox)

 

            Our 2008 Australian Summit was conducted in Melbourne at the Deakin University campus. The college bookstore was drenched in Richard Dawkins. His picture was everywhere, promoting his book The God Delusion. But nowhere to be found were any works challenging Dawkin’s atheism, Darwinism, humanism (but I repeat myself).

 

Dawkins teaches at Oxford University, but so does John C. Lennox. Alas, the bookstore had no interest in Lennox, only Dawkins! It wanted nothing to do with Lennox’s scientific observation that “the fossil record gives no good examples of macroevolution.” (Lennox, p. 110)  Also not to be found was Berlinski’s The Devil’s Delusion, “the definitive book of the new millennium,” according to George Gilder.  And although there wasn’t time to check over every book in that bookstore I seriously doubt one would find Stephen Hawking’s scientific deduction that “it would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to created beings like us.” 

 

            The evidence clearly shows that many of our institutions of higher leaning are cesspools of atheism and hotbeds of radicalism, including sexual radicalism. It’s as though we’re reliving the pre-French and pre-Bolshevik revolutionary eras.

 

            Prior to the French Revolution, atheism was rampant throughout the nation along with the sexual radicalism of the Marquis de Sade, Mirabeau, Jean-Paul Marat and the Jacobins, Robespierre, etc.

 

            The same was true during the years preceding the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. Communism was founded on the atheism and socialism of Marx and Lenin with Darwin’s evolutionary theory thrown in for spice. Remember that it was Marx who wrote Engels saying, “During . . . the past four weeks I have read . . . Darwin’s work on Natural Selection . . . this is the book which contains the basis in natural science for our view.”

 

            Now we are being assaulted with what is sometimes labeled “New Atheism.”  Paul Kurtz’s Center for Inquiry, for example, is conducting a summer institute for young atheists entitled “The Journey From Religion to Science.”  One of their course descriptions reads, “Contemporary issues in secular studies; multisecularism, desecularization and the ‘new atheism.’”

 

            In reality, however, there are no new arguments for atheism. Unless “new atheism” means “new atheists,” it’s a misnomer. The arguments that the French and Communist atheists had in their quiver generations ago are the very same arguments Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, and Harris (DHDH) have in their quiver. It seems each generation is called upon to face the same issues, and the question of God’s existence is a perennial.

 

            Because we, too, must face the issue of atheism head-on, let me recommend the four books listed at the top of this article by Aikman, Berlinski, Day, and Lennox (ABDL). These authors handle all the major arguments, accusations, and assertions of the new atheist crowd. Indeed, it’s as if we have two law firms bidding for the hearts and minds of this generation. And so they are because ideas have consequences. Theism and atheism have consequences.

 

            Let’s begin with David Aikman, who summarizes the case against these famous four theologians of atheism. Analyzing their writings, he says their errors fall nicely into three major categories:  (1) their assertions are too wild to be taken seriously (e.g., “religion poisons everything,”  “better many worlds than one god,” or “Christianity is child abuse”); (2) they stray into unfamiliar territory (Biblical studies, theology, philosophy) and prove they are wading in way over their heads (e.g., “Jesus was born in 4 A.D.”); and (3) their view that somehow science invalidates religious truth is far from historically true and certainly not scientifically true since religion birthed science (see Berlinski, p. 46). Berlinski goes so far as to state that the faith necessary to do coherent scientific work is debauched by a complacent atheism.  

 

            So let’s be blunt for a moment. For all the hype given over to the atheists’ charges, claims, pronouncements, and fairy tales, I can’t think of one thing that Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, or Harris preaches that isn’t answered in a scholarly, even “fair and balanced” manner, by Aikman, Berlinski, Day, and Lennox. No Christian need be embarrassed by the avalanche of atheistic propaganda, believing that their arguments are really too profound and powerful to challenge.  ABDL challenges every one of them with reason, logic, science, common sense, and yes, a sense of humor, too.

 

            Atheists, by the way, seem to lack a sense of humor (although Hitchens has far more than the others combined). Case in point: Harris wants to put to death those he considers truly harmful to society (Aikman, p. 32). I’ll let his words speak for him: “The link between belief and behavior raises the stakes considerably. Some propositions are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them. This may seem an extraordinary claim, but it merely enunciates an ordinary fact about the world in which we live” (The End of Faith, p. 52).

 

And these are our modern-day tolerant atheists!  Can you imagine if they were the Communist variety that slaughtered millions (see The Black Book of Communism by Courtois). Even one of their own, Theodore Dalrymple, remarks that Harris’ statement is “quite possibly the most disgraceful that I have read in a book by a man posing as a rationalist” (City Journal, Autumn 2007). Surely the “new atheists” have lost touch with reality.

 

            Hitchens was probably not trying to be funny when he remarked, “We do not rely solely upon science and reason because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors.” Berlinski’s response is facetious, yet utterly reasonable—“If Hitchens is not prepared to ‘rely solely upon science and reason,’ why, one might ask, should anyone else?” (Berlinski, p. 5).  Hitchens also reasons (in all seriousness) that his belief in the nonexistence of God is not a belief, but my belief in the existence of God is a belief. Go figure!

 

            A question worth asking is this: What triggered such a sudden onslaught of hard-core, mean-spirited atheistic propaganda?  Why now?

 

            Some suggest that perhaps it was George Bush and his administration that riled up the godless with his evangelical Christianity clearly on display. I personally think the answer is much closer to the atheist camp itself. One of their very own (and not just one of their lightweights) decided after looking at the scientific evidence that atheism is untenable, indefensible, and yes, false! The gang of four (DHDH) decided that such a gap in their Secular Humanist worldview armor needed to be plugged, and since Antony Flew is a heavyweight, so, too, the humanists had to call their remaining heavyweights to arms. Hence, this massive flood of atheist books and TV appearances, college lectures, and radio call-in programs.

 

            DHDH could not stand back and fail to challenge Dr. Flew’s admission that it was his study of science and philosophy that actually led him out of atheism, not theology and evangelism!  In his book There Is A God (also highly recommended!), Flew begins with his early life as an atheist, explaining his reasons why God could not exist, and then moves to his later life and why he changed his mind. He now concludes that indeed there has to be a God, or there would be no universe. Sounds like Genesis 1?

 

            Since the flurry over Flew’s conversion to deism, a bit of calm has descended and a lot of research and writing has commenced.  The authors answering the four purveyors of atheism are handing them their heads on a platter! Regretfully, atheist heads on platters is not graphic enough for coverage on the evening news.

 

            Any fair-minded reader of Aikman, Berlinski, Day, and Lennox will recognize that the atheists’ thrusts and daggers have been brilliantly and convincingly defeated.

 

            Berlinski and Lennox, for example, take on the atheistic notion that somehow science proves the nonexistence of God. After examining the scientific method and its various ramifications, Berlinski concludes that he has yet to see how science disproves the existence of God. He notes that physicists seem “remarkably unenthusiastic about welcoming philosophers as fellow scientists” (Berlinski, p. 58). Richard Feynman observes, “The philosophers are always on the outside making stupid remarks.” Saying that science somehow proves the nonexistence of God is a stupid remark!  Another stupid remark is Dawkins’ theological/philosophical claim that “Better many worlds than one god.” Equally stupid is his “many worlds” or multiverse theory of not one universe but an infinite number of parallel universes. Such “science so-called” or better, “scientism” is merely Dawkins’ atheism and materialism coming to the fore. There is absolutely no scientific evidence for a multiverse, but it seems to be the atheists last stronghold even though it puts Occam’s razor on its head!

 

            Berlinski’s comments about “faith” and “science” are also worth examining. He quotes Stephen Hawking to the effect that “so long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator.”  It takes faith to accept the proposition that science has discovered a beginning to the universe. In fact, in takes faith in reason to even reason logically about it. Vox Day points out that faith is not the opposite of reason; the opposite of reason is irrationalism.

 

            Berlinski contends (p. xii, xiii) that there have been four profound scientific theories since the great scientific revolution in the West—Newtonian mechanics, electromagnetic field theory, special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics—and none disproves the existence of God. Stated another way, none proves the atheist claim that science has buried God (note the title of Lennox’s book).  Einstein said it like this, “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”  Dawkins, who constantly claims Einstein as one of his own atheistic brothers, should listen to his scientific superior. (Incidentally, Einstein repeatedly stated, “I’m not an atheist.”  See Max Jammer, Einstein and Religion, p. 48.)

 

            Berlinski insists that “no scientific theory touches on the mysteries that the religious tradition addresses” (p. xiv).  In fact, he says science has “nothing of value to say on the great and aching questions of life, death, love, and meaning.” On the other hand, the religious tradition “has formed a coherent body of thought regarding these subjects” (p. xiv).  Berlinski further notes, “Science does not harbor the slightest idea of how the ordered physical, moral, mental, aesthetic, social world in which we live could have ever arisen from the seething anarchy of the world of particle physics.”

 

            Aikman, Lennox, and Day do not in any way disagree with Berlinski, but rather add to his basic arguments. Day, for example, addresses in some detail the charge that religion is an enemy of science. He proves why the charge is false and quotes from Feynman to the effect that “[s]cientific knowledge is an enabling power to do either good or bad—but does not carry instruction on how to use it” (Day, p. 52).

 

            Both Aikman and Day cover the area of atheism’s practical outworkings in society. And their examples do not edify the atheist cause. For example, few atheists wish to discuss the relationship of Darwin to Hitler or atheism’s role in the former U.S.S.R.  Day quotes Lenin and Trotsky to the effect that “atheism is a material and inseparable part of Marxism” and the “very essence of religion is the mortal enemy of Communism” (Day, p. 243).

 

Day’s chapter entitled “The Robespierre of Atheism” is an insightful look at Michel Onfray, the French atheist and hedonist and far-left Nietzschean. Nietzsche, of course, was not only an atheist and nihilist (life has no meaning), but also a warmonger. His famous statement on war: “War is an admirable remedy for peoples that are growing weak and comfortable and contemptible; it excites instincts that rot away in peace.” Not surprising, Onfray, although a historian, has nothing to say of the “fifty-two atheist mass murderers of the twentieth century” (Day, p. 202). But he has plenty of nasty things to say about the American Secular Humanists for accepting way too much of the Judeo-Christian morality (e.g., Paul Kurtz says he can accept the Golden Rule in spite of its religious connotations). Onfray, however, would banish Christian morality on the basis that “it is anti-social.” Translation: It is anti-Darwin’s natural selection/survival of the fittest. Christian morality cuddles the weak, the sick, and the helpless instead of allowing them to die (or even assisting in their death), thus enhancing the evolutionary process.

 

Day’s chapter entitled “The End of Sam Harris” is worth the price of the book. He especially takes Harris to the woodshed for his statement that “some propositions are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them” (Day, p. 129). 

 

            John C. Lennox’s powerful defense of the Christian perspective will be hard to dismiss by any atheist. His overall thrust is to prove that theism as a worldview “sits most comfortably with science.”  His argument is that the scientific evidence moves toward theism, exactly opposite the argument of Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett, and Harris.

 

            In fact, Lennox points to immunologist George Klein, who “states categorically that his atheism is not based on science, but is an a priori faith commitment” (Lennox, p. 34). Statements like this are bad news for the fearsome foursome of DHDH! Lennox also points to former atheist Antony Flew, who admits that his “whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato’s Socrates [to] follow the evidence wherever it leads.” Following the evidence led him to remove himself from the atheist camp (Lennox, p. 38).

 

            Much of Lennox’s book covers the issue that “the genetic material DNA carries information” (Lennox, p. 54). Read it to be fully informed on why the existence of “information” spells death to the forces of HDHD! (Hint: Information is a form of language, and language implies an author.)

 

            I now return to David Aikman, whose chapter entitled “The Christian Worldview Is the Foundation of Liberty” is priceless!  Aikman begins by quoting Michael Novak: “Can an atheist be a good citizen?  That has been done, many times. Can American liberties survive if most of our nation is atheist?  The most common, almost universal judgment of the founders was that it could not” (Aikman, p. 135).

 

            Aikman moves to more fully answer the question of the survivability of freedom under the atheistic worldview. He comes to the founding fathers’ conclusion, but offers his analysis in a most interesting way. In fact, Aikman quotes Hitchens, one of the fearsome foursome, to the effect that “secular totalitarianism has actually provided us with the summa of human evil”(p. 98). However, this same Hitchens concludes the founding fathers were not “men of faith” because “almost to a man, none had a priest at his deathbed” (Aikman, p. 137). Aikman replies tongue-in-cheek, “Dying Protestants don’t make a habit of calling on priests to attend their departure from this life.” 

 

            Aikman’s comments on Thomas Paine are also worth noting.  Though Paine was one of the very few true Deists (most of the founding fathers were either Christian or Unitarian), when he returned to Paris following the American Revolution he went there to “fight against atheism.” Paine fought against atheism because he held the atheists of the French Revolution era “responsible for the massacres”  (Aikman, p. 141).

 

            Aikman also quotes John Adams (a Unitarian) answer to the French atheist Condorcet who was arguing for morality without religion: “There is no such thing [as morality] without the supposition of God.  There is no right and wrong in the universe without the supposition of a moral government and an intellectual and moral governor” (Aikman, p. 152).

 

            Not one of the fearsome foursome (DHDH) comes close to challenging Aikman’s argument that the founding fathers were in no way establishing an atheistic commonwealth. All of America’s founding documents were theistic in one way or another. Thomas Jefferson said, “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?” Our founding fathers knew that atheism could not be the foundation of a free, democratic republic. Dozens of their statements prove this point.

 

            Aikman finds it significant that after atheistic Communist regimes have historically “wrecked suffering and chaos” on a national basis, “it is the secular rationalism of the atheist worldview that is being challenged.”  In China, most Chinese have lost faith in Marxism-Leninism, sensing that Marxist philosophy is chained to “the iron ball of state atheism, [which] has left it in a moral wasteland” (Aikman, p. 167).

 

            Let me conclude by examining the observations of a former atheist—Sir Fred Hoyle (who, incidentally, was skeptical about Darwin’s theory of evolution). Hoyle understood that for life to exist on earth, lots of carbon (C and atomic number 6) is needed. He understood how carbon was formed (combining three helium nuclei or combining helium and beryllium). He also understood that for any of this to happen “the nuclear ground state energy levels have to be fine-tuned with respect to each other” (Lennox, p. 69). If the variation were more than 1 percent either way, the universe could not sustain life.  Hoyle says nothing challenged his atheism more than “this scientific discovery.”  This scientific discovery could well be the Achilles heel (“a small but mortal weakness”) of the atheists, and it appears to have all of them reeling in their more quiet moments.  

 

Physicist Freeman Dyson sees it nearly the same way: “The more I examine the universes and study the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known that we were coming.” Paul Davies likewise concludes, “It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe.” Or John A. Wheeler, “Imagine a universe in which one or another of the fundamental dimensionless constants of physics is altered by a few percent one way or the other?  Man could never come into being in such a universe.”  (See also Hugh Ross, Creation as Science, p. 96f for additional examples of a finely tuned universe, Martin Rees, Just Six Numbers, or even Stephen Hawking in his A Brief History of Time who insisted that the finely turned numbers cannot be altered to any degree or the universe collapses.) 

 

Let’s hope and pray that DHDH will reach the same conclusion. Let’s pray earnestly that they cease and desist their atheistic propaganda machine that weakens Western Civilization’s attempt to survive the current onslaught of Islam in its westward march, convinced that the time is right to demolish the decadent “Christian” West. As George Gilder says, “A culture that does not aspire to the divine becomes obsessed with the fascination of evil, reveling in the frivolous, the depraved, and the bestial.” (See Gilder’s review of The Devil’s Delusion in National Review, May 5, 2008, p. 58. 

 

Indeed, let’s pray for a revitalized and rededicated evangelical Christianity (for a start read Dinesh D’Souza’s What’s So Great About Christianity) that can again be the “salt of the earth” and the “light of the world,” reflecting its founder and Master—Jesus Christ. Thus ends the homily!  

 

                            

 

           

 

           

 

             

           

 

 

                       

           

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Good Tips for Finding a Few More Good Books
Posted On: 05/16/08 10:10:32 AM Age 44, OH
I never heard of David Berlinkski until I saw him in the EXPELLED film. I have now already read David Berlinski's book, THE DEVIL'S DELUSION, and I feel quite educated from reading it. I learned a lot about the historical circumstances and current situations concerning how atheism falsely claims to be scientific despite the evidence leading towards intelligent design, leading "scientists" instead to a falsely "scientific" belief in nonsense with no evidence, just foolish talk, such as string theories and alternate universes. Thanks for this article, which tips me off to some more, similar books, in the vein of Berlinski's.
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Thank you
Posted On: 05/15/08 10:12:21 AM Age 52, ENGLAND
A wonderfully written piece! I am a bible-believing follower of Jesus Christ, and started to realize some 3 years ago that one of the reasons so few young people seem to get past their teens with their faith intact, is because the 'world' teaches them atheistic evolution, while the church generally does nothing to combat this, i.e teaching faithfully from the word of God, that God wrote what He meant, from Genesis to Revelation. Far from committing intellectual suicide by believing in biblical creation, the facts all point to a Creator and sustainer of the universe. This same bible tells us of an apostasy in the last days, where even the elct will be decieved. The church has given in to the bully-boys, instead of standing on the word of God, even when we don't understand it, or it may seem at odds with the science of its day, (which is constantly being revised, changed or de-bunked) Gods word is the same now and forever, trust Him and His Son Jesus, as there is no life outside of His grace and plan of redemption for you. Darwin, Dawkins. Hawkings, Hitchins, etc. can offer you irrelevance,nothingness,- Who in their right mind would choose this above the author of life, eternal security, and meaning? The bible says 'Repent and believe'-do it while you have breath, He is real,and true, and the fact that you are reading this, He is calling you now. Repent and believe. His richest blessings on you, Maria Moring, Essex, England.
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bitter californian
Posted On: 05/14/08 09:29:01 PM Age 51, FL
"The right, with its current gospel of bombs & bullets..Has discredited its self. Especially since every study conducted confirms the same thing. The divorce, abortion, teen pregnancy rate, and just about every depravity of this world is no different within our Churches as it is among the unbelieving heathens. nd Now you want to bomb the world into submiting to theis hypocrasy." Wow! what a bitter little Bush hater we are today. What liberal, leftist, social gospel pushing church are you talking about that you use to smear "The right". and one more thing. Why is defending ourselves against radical muslims "a gospel of bombs and bullets...bombing the world into submitting to hypocrasy." It sounds so stupid and has nothing to do with the article. stop hatin'
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A Watchman
Posted On: 05/14/08 08:08:46 PM Age 38, IN
Excellent article. My only problem with it it the last sentence where you recommend reading Dinesh D'Souza's book. I started to read it and about midway, when he admitted that evolution was a valid thought process, immediately quit. Evolution in all aspects, goes against the Bible. God made all things to reproduce their OWN species (read Genesis again). Not change to a new species. People tend to confuse evolution with adaptation within a species. Also, as far as six actual days of creation, how would plants have survived more than 24 hours without the sun. Plant life was created on the third day, the sun and moon on the fourth. It would be impossible for plants to survive for thousands of years with no sun. Please be careful when recommending authors who profess to be Christian, but whose beliefs defy the Bible. God Bless.
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When the Argument is Weak, Shout and Pound the Pulpit
Posted On: 05/14/08 07:45:46 AM Age 60, IN
This seems to be the intellectual basis for the current spate of in-your-face atheism. They appear to be following the well-known advice that today, facts don't matter, only volume and repetition, and whoever dominates the channels of distribution wins. They do not even care about winning the debate on an intellectual level, but only about making sure that their arguments get more play than the opposition.
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Help me understand
Posted On: 05/14/08 06:48:41 AM Age 45, VA
"The evidence clearly shows that many of our institutions of higher leaning are cesspools of atheism" cess·pool (sspl)n. 1. A covered hole or pit for receiving drainage or sewage, as from a house. 2. A filthy, disgusting, or morally corrupt place. And this is how Christians plan on evangelizing me...by equating my lack of belief with untreated human waste? I say no thank you. Why would you prohibit personal attacks in your feedback policy yet publish David Noebel's insulting attack on an entire group of people? This seems very far from the often quoted Christian policy of "...hate the sin but love the sinner".
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  1. Cesspool
    Posted On: 05/15/08 10:49:32 PMAge 33, TX
    Metaphorically speaking from a Christian viewpoint Mr. Noebel has correctly described the moral state of many institutions of higher learning where promiscuity, drunkenness, lascivious behavior, and sexual deviancy is the norm rather than the exception. His description is precisely a verbalization of his hate for sin and a love for God and His rightousness. If the description offends you then maybe you should examine the life you live rather than attacking the messenger. That has been humanity's response from the beginning however. It began with Adam, and it will end when the world ends.
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The Onslaught Isn't Sudden
Posted On: 05/12/08 06:01:43 PM Age 40, NH
The onslaught hasn't been sudden if people had paid attention. The "atheists" have been building to this for decades and this is just the inevitable outpouring of the movement. Grace and Peace, Jim
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  1. Maybe it will help you to understand
    Posted On: 05/15/08 05:30:54 AMAge 45, TX
    that the author was taking about the philosophy of pre-French and pre-Bolshevik being revisited in many (not all) institutes of higher schooling. Surely you do not hold that these ideas were fertilizer to a better society? I also find it funny that in almost all discussions of this nature it is the so called purveyors of reason that get emotional claming insult and a violation of Christianity; the bible also say that a wise man welcomes reproof...
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    1. What Are You Talking About Sir?
      Posted On: 05/15/08 07:03:24 PMAge 40, NH
      1. I claim no offense or anything else so whatever you may have been replying to, it wasn't my post. 2. It is not a, "sudden onslaught" when it has been building and being released more and more over the decades. The author can talk of the pre-Bolshevik and pre-French thinking but that doesn't make this onslaught anymore sudden. Since I said the atheists have been building to this for decades, that would make it not sudden and quite possibly pre-Bolshevik. 3. Please point to the "emotional" aspect of my supposed "offense" from my post. You will find none there. 4. Most importantly, you misuse Scripture about reproof since your post has nothing to do with my post except that both posts are on the same website. Before attempting to correct, rebuke, teach or anything else, please make sure you are addressing; 1. A real issue with another person (which your response to my post demonstrates you have no issue to reprove me for). 2. Make sure you are correctly handling the word of Yahweh. Your attempt to correct me for something I haven't done is the misuse of Scripture. 3. Read the posts and then take a moment or two and then re-read the post(s) before you respond. This way you are not being hasty and can catch yourself before being wrong. We ALL make mistakes (I have responded to the wrong post before and maybe this is what happened to you, maybe not) posting. Sometimes it is clicking the wrong spot, sometimes it is just plain being wrong. I am not sure which of these two reasons it is for you sir. Grace and Peace, Jim
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      1. You are right
        Posted On: 05/16/08 01:16:24 PMAge 44, TX
        it was for the cesspool/help me understand post not yours, not sure how that happened.
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The right, with its current gospel of bombs & bullets..
Posted On: 05/12/08 08:47:26 AM Age 48, CA
Has discredited its self. Especially since every study conducted confirms the same thing. The divorce, abortion, teen pregnancy rate, and just about every depravity of this world is no different within our Churches as it is among the unbelieving heathens. nd Now you want to bomb the world into submiting to theis hypocrasy.
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  1. Response to Bombs and Bullets
    Posted On: 05/15/08 01:42:19 PMAge 42, NM
    A few thoughts: 1) Just because people claiming to be Christians have abortions and get divorced, does not mean that Christianity supports or encourages it. 2) Jesus came to save sinners - not perfect people. Its those convicted of sin that come to Christ. When they do, they receive forgiveness, but that does not mean the consequences of poor choices goes away. 3)Who ever said that Christians want to bomb the world into submission to Christianity? Christians may support war efforts, but never in an effort to make another nation submit to God. Governments, according to the Bible, have been instituted for the purpose of protecting the innocent and convicting the guilty. Sometimes they do it well, other times they don't. But either was Christianity itself does not support bombing for the sake of winning converts. That idea is an idea of your own mind, but not of reality. Christianity does not teach that, nor does any Christian I've ever heard speak.
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  2. Bombs & Bullets?
    Posted On: 05/14/08 05:06:50 PMAge 50, SD
    Did we read the same article? What has the "right", bullets and bombs to do with what David wrote?
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