One of the clichés of the homosexual movement is that some people are born gay. Recently ABC has been promoting this idea with a feature entitled “Can a Baby Be Gay?” First, there was the promo on ABC’s Good Morning America. Then there was the special on ABC’s 20/20.
As I talk about in my book, A Biblical Point of View on Homosexuality, there has been a deliberate strategy to convince the public that some people are born gay. There have been various studies of cadavers and twins as well as a search for a gay gene. Although many of these have been discredited, the latest round of programs demonstrates that the homosexual activists working through the media have not given up trying to prove that people are born gay.
Robert Knight (Culture and Media Institute) recently wrote about how ABC is following “the script proposed in the gay strategic manual After the Ball, by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen.” The authors recommended that activists “use the media to portray homosexuality as in-born, and homosexuals as victims.” And as you might imagine they also wanted to portray those with moral or biblical objections to homosexuals as haters and bigots.
When you look at the latest ABC special, you can easily see this strategy being played out. We learn of a boy named Zack who according to his parents was born gay. They believe that homosexuality was in their son’s DNA. We are then introduced to a scientist who believes that a substantial contribution to sexual orientation is genetic.
Now do we hear from anyone who disagrees? Well, yes we are introduced to Dr. Stanton Jones. He is introduced as a clinical psychologist and evangelical Christian. By the way, he is the only one introduced by noting his religious affiliation. The clear implication is that his views are religious not scientific. Never mind that Dr. Jones is the co-author of a significant work entitled, Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation.
As far as I can tell, ABC seems to be following the script of the gay activists, but that doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m Kerby Anderson, and that’s my point of view.
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We seem to confuse the issue. The compulsion of homosexuality is not sin. The act is sin. Prior to Cain killing Able, God warned him to rule over his rage. Yet, he didn't. If Cain didn't kill Able would he have been cursed? Obviously not. So could people be born with a compulsion for homosexuality? Obviously. Same as compulsion for alcoholism, rage, over emotion, workaholic, etc, etc. Understand this friends, the compulsion of homosexuality is an anomoly that is displayed in many odd manorisms. The act of homosexuality is just the symptom of their internal conflicts. This is why homosexuals are maladjusted. John Click here to reply to this post
I disagree a bit.
Posted On: 04/13/08 04:50:11 PM
Age 59, AZ
Sin is in our being. It is what we are in our deepest essence. We are all sinners needing repentance. The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it? Jesus said that lust starts in a person, that one who lusts first does so from inside. This is true for all sin acts. Sin is the root. Our acts are the fruit.
One can live all their life & not do any sinful deeds. (Have yet to know of any one though :-) ) But if the person does not repent from their Adamic sin, the sin we inherit because of the fall, they will not make it to heaven. The seed, essence, & potential ability to act out sin that dwells in mankind is what needs to be dealt with.
My sex sins were hetro.
I can understand the feelings that lead homosexuals to think they are born that way. I had a spirit of lust on me for a season. I also had a spirit of murder jump on me for a shorter season. It was terrible. I had to pray & pray & repent. I know how powerful feelings can induce the mind to think these feelings are a natural state. Though the feelings, thoughts & desires that lead to sinful deeds are a natural state for fallen mankind, Jesus came to free us from them.
Jesus came to raise us into a new realm. If I had not been a Christian during these times I may have done something really bad. I think that the Lord allowed this because I am now able to relate in His love to those who have these kinds of strong feelings. The only way out is Jesus. It can be a fight, but I am now very glad I fought it using the Bible & the Holy Spirit to help me gain victory over my own sinful tendencies.
The spirit of murder finally went away because I would not yield to it. The spirit of lust was driven away at a Church alter. Both were attaching to something in me. The murder to anger, the lust to my sex drive. I have never thought I wanted to kill any one again. But I have to watch our for my sex drive still & avoid images & put my thoughts under the Holy Spirit & the Word.
I convey this so that any one struggling with any besetting sin & the feelings that very often follow may know there is victory in Christ. Homosexuals & other sinners, please know that Jesus can set you free!! Click here to reply to this post
stop this madness
Posted On: 04/04/08 07:42:58 PM
Age 49, IL
Since when is sexual perversion a genetic defect? Where do we, as a society trying to justify our sin and blame God for it all, draw the line? Is a murderer born that way? Is a sexual predator born that way? When we understand the true nature of sin, then the finger points right back at us. "But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his OWN desire" -James 1:14
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, SEXUAL IMMORALITY, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person". -Matthew 15:19-20 Christ teaches us sin is an 'inside job'. We are born sinners, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" -Psalm 51:5
I am amazed so many Christians are buying into this propaganda. We all know right from wrong, God gave all a conscience. When you do something wrong, your conscience brings it to mind. Those who repeatedly reject the warnings and the gospel are then turned over to a depraved mind, their conscience has become seared, it is 'desensitized' by the repeated offenses. Once this happens, the offender no longer has the ability to reason what's right or wrong. A good study of Romans chapter one will clarify this.
I speak as a former homosexual, humbled by Almighty God, saved by His grace. I must say, when I was a part of this wicked lifestyle, I was aware it was wrong, but I ignored the 'warning'. My life slowly fell apart, I was miserable. I drank too much, and was falling apart financially. I remember one particular day, after having an argument, I half-heartedly asked, "God, why won't you help me?" I heard this, "He won't help you until you leave this way of life" in my conscience. It was a short time later, a devastating illness in my family brought me to my knees. I cried out to God, and He heard me. So when I say, 'it was a temptation, a lust that I chose to give into', I know what I am saying.
I recently read an article stating the life expectancy of a homosexual is less than that of a smoker; if this were genetic, why the shorter life span? This passage from Romans 1:27 comes to mind, "And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves due penalty for their error." Sin is pleasurable for a season, but there is a price. Let us never forget the judgment of reaping and sowing. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life" -Galatians 6:7,8 Click here to reply to this post
Don't confuse the issue
Posted On: 04/04/08 08:29:10 PM
Age 47, MO
Sir, you are talking about actions. Our actions or choices are sin and to that extent I agree with your post. However, the discussion is not about the sin of homosexuality, but about being born gay. Being born gay can possibly be a natural thing due to entrophy and the microevolutionary repurcussions of the fall. What I'm saying is that it could be a chemical or genetic annomily such as retardation, Downs Syndrome, or Cerebal Palsy. Who knows? I certainly don't know, yet I do know that I am commanded to love the sinner regardless of the sin. I also know that many, if not most, x-gay's still struggle with the impulses of gayness. Like I've said in previous posts, I used to work with many gays, I hated most, and befriended a few. To think I would be defending them...they would never believe it. John Click here to reply to this post
I think we all miss the point
Posted On: 04/06/08 02:16:05 PM
Age 29, TX
The trick of the devil is to change the subject, to alter the question and therefore alter the answer. We get sidetracked and wind up defending a perhaps indefensible position. It matters not whether one has a predisposition, genetic or otherwise, to sin in one way or another; the only thing that matters is whether he chooses to indulge this inclination.--Mrs. Pilgrim Click here to reply to this post
You say that "Being born gay can possibly be a natural thing due to entrophy and the microevolutionary repurcussions of the fall. What I'm saying is that it could be a chemical or genetic annomily such as retardation, Downs Syndrome, or Cerebal Palsy." I beg to differ, God never calls something that man has no control over a sin. Click here to reply to this post
My point
Posted On: 04/08/08 10:35:31 AM
Age 47, MO
Which is why in my other posts I mentioned that choices are sin and that we are called to love the sinner. John Click here to reply to this post
Mistake?
Posted On: 04/03/08 08:07:36 PM
Age 61, MO
Any insinuation that humans are born gay is to suggest that God made a mistake. God does not make mistakes! George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post
Is it that simple?
Posted On: 04/04/08 08:15:47 AM
Age 50, MN
Id on't think it is George. What about people being born blind, with horrible genetic defects, downs syndrome, mentally retarded people some who are totally unable to commmunicate or move, people whose bodies from birth are unable to move because their muscles are unflexible and on and on? I don't understand it all, but these things happen, quite regularly actually. Click here to reply to this post
Birth defects
Posted On: 04/04/08 02:07:35 PM
Age 61, MO
I am fully aware of the fact that many humans are born with mental and physical defects, but these are not sin. George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post
Creation ORIGINALLY good
Posted On: 04/04/08 07:47:11 AM
Age 47, MO
No George, an incinuation that one is born gay is too imply that we micro-evolve. Due to entrophy and the curse, our evolvement is not good. I'm not saying with certainty one way or the other, but I think one can be born gay just like one can be born with Downs Syndrome or with Cerebal Palsy. Or even the much over diagnosed ADD or ADHD. Ask any X-gay such as those who work in the Love Won Out ministry and they will tell you that they still have tendencies but, through the grace of God, suppress those urges. Believe me, I'm no gay supporter, and in younger years was merciless toward them, but I've worked with and befriended enough to know they truly believe they have no choice in who they are. But, like everyone else, they can choose what they do and how they act out. John Click here to reply to this post
God does NOT make abominations
Posted On: 04/07/08 10:52:25 PM
Age 47, NC
NO ONE is born gay because only God can create life. if He creates someone who is gay from the womb then He creates an abomination - His word for homosexuality or something that He deems detestable? trust Man is incapable of creating life - THAT is only something God can do and He does NOT create what He says is detestable or an abomination.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (KJV)
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJV)
"Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. (NLT)
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV) Click here to reply to this post
Keep on target
Posted On: 04/08/08 10:45:27 AM
Age 47, MO
Friend: You confuse the issue. The compulsion of homosexuality is not sin. The act is sin. Prior to Cain killing Able, God warned him to rule over his rage. Yet, he didn't. If Cain didn't kill Able would he have been cursed? Obviously not. So could people be born with a compulsion for homosexuality? Obviously. Same as compulsion for alcoholism, rage, over emotion, workaholic, etc, etc. Understand this, the compulsion of homosexuality is an anomoly that is displayed in many odd manorisms, the act of homosexuality is just the symptom of their internal conflicts. This is why homosexuals are maladjusted. John Click here to reply to this post
no i am NOT confused on the issue
Posted On: 04/14/08 09:18:13 PM
Age 47, NC
the issue is can one be "born" gay. to be "born" gay means that God created that person to BE gay. God does NOT create abominations. i think YOU confuse the issue. might want to actually READ what i wrote. Click here to reply to this post
Homoseuals some born
Posted On: 04/03/08 04:37:13 PM
Age 70, OH
No one in their right mind would want to be homosexual or Lesbian, I do know that we all have heard of Birth defects, well this is just another birth defect. just like many other birth defects, It is not natural, but it is a lot like being born as a Hermraphadite born with both male and female sexual equipment, a vigina and a pennis this is a reversion back to the original Human which was bother male and female until caused a stupor on the first Human separated and made the woman in Geneses from a part of the first human then He called Adam and Eve Adam said this is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh and she shall be called woman. and the farther we have degenerated since that time of creation things have gone downhill and degenerated... to where we ar at today where anything might happen and most goes for natural, and which is not natural.
Sumner Morrill Koch
Homosexual is not Natural, but it is a degenerative defect. Just like three eyes or one leg or one eye or three arms or legs or two heads etc,
What would expect we have been intermarrying for over 6,000 to 12,000 years or so!
Even at that God is operating all in accord with the counsel; of His will, Not His chance, He is no fool like mankind is, or so seems to be...foolish at best. Click here to reply to this post
Adam was a hermaphrodite?
Posted On: 04/07/08 11:08:46 AM
Age 38, VA
Where did you get the idea that Adam was a hermaphrodite? Genesis 2:18-25 states that God created man, that no suitable helper was found, and that he took a part of Adam's side (or rib, not his genitals) and created woman. There is not an indication that he had both male and female parts.
And no one is saying people "choose" to be gay or lesbian. Some do, I believe. But any number of factors or responses to life events could steer someone in an unnatural direction. And a tendency toward perverse behavior is nothing more than a wicked mind, which is a result of the fall of man. My own vile thoughts and wandering eyes make me no less guilty of perversion, just because I view a woman with lust instead of a man. Click here to reply to this post
GOD CREATED THEM MALE AND FEMALE
Posted On: 04/04/08 10:38:51 PM
Age 64, OH
You say, "this is a reversion back to the original Human which was bother male and female until caused a stupor on the first Human separated and made the woman in Geneses from a part of the first human then He called Adam". There is not one scripture that says this or even implies this. This is only a assumption on your part, and we know what they say about the word assume. In fact the scripture says different: 27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.- We can see God has said He created them male and female. God does NOT say He created Adam both male and female and then separated them in two. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Adam & the female:
Posted On: 04/13/08 05:16:15 PM
Age 59, AZ
Adam was created with the human element of the feminine in him. God took it out & created a separate person so Adam could have a help suitable for him. Like was said, God took a rib...
When Christ had the spear thrust in His side I believe that God had the Church in mind much the same way as He had Eve in mind for Adam.
Feminine in the spiritual sense: the 'female' always is implanted with the 'male' seed. In the case of the Church we are implanted with a spiritual seed, The Word of God, so that we may bring forth fruit worthy of repentance. The Holy Spirit is always 'male' in this regard. This is also why a woman can be anointed by the Holy Spirit to minister to men. It has nothing to do with the sex of the vessel, but everything to do with whether or not the Holy Spirit is doing the anointing. A person ministering under the Holy Spirit is always 'male' & the recipient is always 'female'.
This is how the divine male & female is expressed. You may need to pray a bit on this one. (I am not talking about human sexuality. Human sexuality is an illustration of a spiritual reality.) Click here to reply to this post
GOD CREATED THEM MALE AND FEMALE
Posted On: 04/14/08 11:07:19 PM
Age 64, OH
You say, "Adam was created with the human element of the feminine in him. God took it out & created a separate person so Adam could have a help suitable for him". This is NOT what the Holy Scriptures say. But you are adding to them and changing what is written. It says God created them male and female. It does not say God created a male-female and then take the female from it. God took a rib not the female organs from Adam. From this rib, which has no gender, God created the female. Lou Click here to reply to this post
WE ARE ALL BORN SINNERS
Posted On: 04/03/08 12:06:40 PM
Age 64, OH
WE ARE ALL BORN SINNERS but that does not excuse our sin. I was born a thief and stole a bag of marbles when only 4 but I repented and try not to steal now. There are what scientists call supermales and superfemales. This is a proven genetic condition. These super males and females are prone to become serial killers. So should we leave them murder and not punish them when they kill. I have fair skin and was born a person that sunburns worse than almost anyone I know. So I can not stay out in the sun as long as others. Even if there is people who are more prone to become a homosexual it does NOT excuse their sin. I know of a father that had a son who was very sensitive and some would have said this boy had homosexual tendencies. The father did not listen to any of this nonsense. He nurtured the boy and spent a lot of time with him. The sensitive side ended up being a positive trait. The boy became a man who has a close relationship with Jesus. He is a elite athlete, has a very high IQ, and has a serious relationship with his girlfriend. - My father had a garden and so did the neighbors; my father pruned his tomato plants of suckers and grew lots of large, good tasting tomatoes. The neighbors just put the plants in the ground and did not care for them. They got lots of green leaves and tomato plants but the tomatoes were few and small and did not taste very good. Children are like tomato plants they require lots of care. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Gay gene mutation?
Posted On: 04/03/08 11:56:08 AM
Age 47, MO
One thing is for certain, transgendered and gay people do believe they are truly that way. I don't think they believe it is a ploy, but is true for themselves. Therefore, is it possible that their condition is an illness brought on by microevolutionary forces in response to the fall? What I mean is; perhaps it's not their environment or a state of mind, but that they are not chemically or genetically stable. Either way, it is a choice to act upon their impulse that is a sin. John Click here to reply to this post
Born gay?
Posted On: 04/03/08 09:28:44 AM
Age 67, WI
The idea that persons can be born gay is part of the overall thought of scientific materialism... that is, that everything in the universe, including human beings, can be explained on the basis of material causes. Such a view fails to take into account the possibility of God and anything He has to say about the created order of things. If we allow the thought that persons can be born gay, what is to stop this trend of thinking to the degree that we can say a person is born to be a crook, to be a world leader, to be ...whatever? And what does this all say about the human ability to make choices? Being born gay means a person no longer has the responsibility for what he or she does. It is in the genes. Were being gay the norm, we would have long ago disappeared..since human existence depends on heterosexual relations. We can say this is the normal way of life and those who are disconnected from that which is normal must be considered abnormal. If they were born that way, they need to be institutionalized lest they infect the rest of humankind to our demise. Click here to reply to this post
Who can say with certainty?
Posted On: 04/03/08 01:41:12 PM
Age 47, MO
Friend: I think this is certainly one of those area's that he can't speak with certainty. Did you know what it was like to be born again prior to salvation? Of course not, because we were spiritually dead, this is why a heathen has no understanding and know not what they do. Same with us in regard to "being" gay. I think the implications of the fall and the results of sin could possibly have changed man's genetic makeup. I say this because I have worked with many gays, having been in the airline business, and I can truly say; they do believe they are gay. However, they still have the choice to act or not act on their impulses. This is why we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. Not to mention Romans says God gave them over to depravity. John Click here to reply to this post
Questions
Posted On: 04/03/08 08:46:24 AM
Age 45, IA
I do believe this is a complicated issue. There seems to be a genetic component to alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone who has it is doomed to a live of destructive drinking.// I belive there is at some level a possible genetic component here also. Why would it be any different from other genetic abnormalities? (I know homosexuals would probably object to that term, but nonetheless it's accurate.) //For some reason God has allowed these genetic things to happen in our fallen world (downs syndrome, many,many other examples) - is it impossible that homosexuality is similar? I think it's very possible when I watch how many individuals struggle with this and do NOT want to be homosexual, but cannot change. (and I know you can point out one or two examples of ones who have, but nothing significant) // I think we obsess because it is a component that deals with sex and we don't quite know what to do with it other than to condemn it. (You probaby say well that's Biblical - but Jesus never discussed homosexuality - say for instance like he did remarriage, which he called adultery and we feel fine doing that, so I think that's just convienient) // I know this won't be accepted here but I believe it's possible that's it's not as simple as we want to make it out to be. Click here to reply to this post
Your mistake
Posted On: 04/06/08 02:18:45 PM
Age 29, TX
It's easy to say that Jesus said nothing about a given topic--as long as you ignore His being God and all that. God was involved in the whole Bible, you know. Your argument verges on blasphemy.--Mrs. Pilgrim Click here to reply to this post
Glad someone else noticed!
Posted On: 04/03/08 08:40:21 AM
Age 24, IA
I'm so glad someone else noticed ABC's clear bias! When Dr. Jones was introduced as an evangelical Christian, I immediately wondered why we weren't introduced to "Dr. So-and-So, the evolutionary atheist?" Or, "Dr. So-and-So, the liberal Episcopalian?" or whatever he is.... WOW. I just might write ABC a letter. Click here to reply to this post
