Emergent Motto: God is Most Glorified in Us, When We Are Most Satisfied in the Culture
Posted: 02/20/2008
Introduction:
Dealing constantly with young, reformed emerging people and bloggers is exhausting. I feel some days like Simon Cowell of American Idol fame trying to be honest with them about what they are saying and how their e-views are not that promising, biblical, good or true. When they get angry and "keep on singing" (though the audition is clearly over) they become more and more incensed that I didn't affirm them, what they stand for, what they are trying to sell, or one of their leaders.
This happens week in and week out - and like I said, it is exhausting.
No matter how many books I read, podcasts or vodcasts I listen to, emails I exchange, or blog interaction I try to have (I don't delete dissenting opinion on this blog - I actually allow people to passionately disagree with me without fear of being shut down) they still just keep on emotionally ranting about their postmodern world of pseudo-reformed, emerging faith.
One of the things that is most interesting is that very few, if any, will ever discuss these things biblically. They usually just appeal to a few evangelical leaders who embrace their movement. They know that I have not fabricated my concerns out of thin air - because I take the time to do my homework and usually they haven't. It's like trying to talk to a Romanist who has never read Tridentine doctrine, but yet wants to defend "the orthodoxy" of the Pope and Romanist theology. An effort in futility. I find this with bloggers too. Young, theologically immature, biblically untested, and who are undiscerning being "sympathetic to emerging cult of personality" types who get defensive at a moments notice.
This brings me to this article today: recovering a reverence for God by having a right view of God. This is hard for any emerging or emergent church leader to humbly submit too. Why? Because it means resigning their cultural hermeneutic to a biblical one and that is painful for them to do. They would rather speak to you about "contextualizing the truth" for they honestly believe that their little methods, techniques, gimmicks, tricks, cultural analysis, market surveys, and postmodern pathology actually adds to the effectiveness and impact of the gospel. They really don't believe in sola Scriptura; they really don't believe that "the gospel IS the power of God unto salvation" and requires no additional assistance from them. They don't understand Acts 17 or 1 Cor. 9:18ff thinking the Apostle Paul was emerging too. And if you speak of biblical evangelism - you are out of date. Missional is the new term. No one quite knows what it means, but that's the beauty of this movement. They like the ambiguity and call it the reformed faith.
They believe the gospel needs their help. So they swear a bit when they preach; tell some dirty stories; speak in graphic sexual terms about women; even twist Scripture to try and be funny about masturbatory acts, and at some point will treat the Lord and His holy name as only a punchline for their jokes. They think that Chris Rock is a better pastoral role model than Christopher Love. And if you dare confront them or challenge them, they will cry foul (no pun intended) and try and make you the villain.
You see in their world, truth is not the primary consideration: experience, contextualization, conversation, audience expansion, carefully aligned political relationships, being soft and soft spoken IS. They call that humility and grace. Humility to them is never saying anything negative about another; and grace is simply recognizing we all are a little rough around the edges; and besides the other fruit coming from ones emerging church trumps all other considerations. What is that fruit? Numbers--they love numbers. They will tell you about their numbers almost every sermon. Once solid Christian publishers and even some Southern Baptist leaders have been seduced by their charms. It's frankly embarrassing and more than a little disappointing. They are so eager to grow their cause that they will sell out pragmatically and methodologically just to get a seat at the table and feel important as part of the latest boys club. Their motto reads as following: "God is Most Glorified in Us, When We Are Most Satisfied in the Culture." It's their mantra; their four spiritual laws; their purpose driven banner; their seeker friendly badge. It's their password, the secret code to get into the tree-house. It's their version of ministry.
Here is the reality: they really don't want to have to face or deal with the tough issues; it is easier to delete someone then to have to look circumspectly at the clay feet of their own man-made "heroes." They are constantly conflicted; saying just enough to try and come off as being challenging and balanced; but not saying enough to jeopardize their standing within the club. I am aware that I can be a strong, intimidating opponent for someone to have to take on, on most issues. But removing me out of the equation for a minute, these inexperienced "young lions" aren't even men enough to dialogue with biblically solid, kind, gentle, godly women either. They will delete them just as quickly; shut down their threads; take their ball and bat and run home.
So if you have drank the Kool-Aid of the emerging movement, may I challenge you to buck up today, play the man, and read the following article. If you get offended, it is intentional. I hope you even get angry; angry enough to honestly look at your pomo-world of imagined faith; and maybe come to grips with the fact that the "Vintage Jesus" you have been sold is a bill of goods by those who claim to be cutting edge in ministry. And when you get over them (and you will), then come back to the Word of God and to proven, faithful pastoral leadership from the halls of redemptive history and finally learn about the Lord Jesus Christ in all His transcendent glory, His gospel of grace, and how to do biblical ministry within the local church.
Until then, you will have to be satisfied with ministry that is foreign to the Bible, but oh how satisfying to your depravity.
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The fertile ground for the emergent movement came from the Pastor led, dead traditional, ritualistic, sit down and shut up abomination that happens every Sunday that's called "Church". That thing is no more church, and the cowards in the pews are too afraid to say a word, because they may be seen as not a team player.......God forbid!!!! Yes, there is enough poison in the emergent to kill any half-hearted believer, but you can't blame any of them for looking for life! I sure isn't in the Sunday Club meeting! Click here to reply to this post
Angry?
Posted On: 02/27/08 07:35:41 PM
Age 56, TX
Sure, there are many dead, lifeless churches in our midst. Yes, dangerous doctrines, such as liberalism and new age philosophy abound inside some churches. But to jump into the Emerging heresy sure doesn't help the matter does it? It seems to me that you are so disturbed by the state of the church that you see an openly heretical movement as better than ANY church setting. How can Emergent thinking and its overt and often egocentric redefinition of truth be a valid alternative? From what you said, it would appear that any pastor led church who may espouse doctrine is anathema in your estimation. Yes? Click here to reply to this post
True, but...
Posted On: 02/26/08 01:21:04 PM
Age 47, MO
Ouch, I like pointed responses like this because there is more truth in your few words than in an eloquant response. I agree with your suggestion that the "church" rarely glorifies God, rarely builds the body with Christian liberty and HS obedience, but rather- like government- sustains the institution. Given this, people have indeed made a mass exodus from the traditional church. However, they threw the baby out with the bath water and forsaken the truth. Truly, they just wanted their ears tickled and not God glorified. The error is that the Emergent Church is a religion of self glorification. John Click here to reply to this post
Article Missing?
Posted On: 02/22/08 01:21:40 PM
Age 79, AZ
Go to the bio/archives link and look for the title referenced at the bottom. It appeared in Oct. 2007. Click here to reply to this post
Here is the Link to the Article
Posted On: 02/25/08 08:06:53 AM
Age 33, PA
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2665/Steve_Camp Click here to reply to this post
emergent experience
Posted On: 02/22/08 10:20:28 AM
Age 36, OH
My family and myself sat through 3 years of emergent sermons feeling "HUNGRY" for truth but not really knowing what was going on with the sermons. Until one day God woke us up to the truth of the Emergent Church. The Emergent Church has no real "Core" or center of truth. It is empty and that is where it is leading all people that believe in the words of the Emergent Church.
2Peter 2vs18 says,"For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. vs19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. Holy Bible New Interenational Version.
Our experience has awaken our souls and a fire began to burn deep within ourselves to live every moment for God. We now have a deep burning desire to live according to His Holy Word. I am greatful for our emergent experience. God has once again taking something evil and turned it for something Good for His Glory. Amen Click here to reply to this post
Emergent Experience
Posted On: 02/25/08 06:11:51 AM
Age 57, AR
Dear 56 OH, Your story brought tears of joy to my eyes. I am rejoicing in your zeal with knowledge, and your submission to the Lord. Thanks, Brenda Click here to reply to this post
emergence and the gospel
Posted On: 02/22/08 10:01:39 AM
Age 32, TX
I think that Emergents are just like all other false religions.. they've come to believe that man has or can gain some righteousness (or enough righteousness to justify before God) on his own. The environmental, social gospel they proclaim is a gospel of works. This is a product of the modern gospel which most recently stems from the prosperity movement and the seeker sensitives. When you remove the truth of sin, righteousness, and judgment from the gospel in an attempt to please man and grow churches you produce a crop of false converts who believe they are saved, but have never been confronted with the biblical gospel. False converts are often the most bitter and angry opponents of the faith. What does this come from? It comes from a lack of understanding of law and grace. By law I mean God's law, his holy standard for righteousness. Have you kept it?
If you've ever (in your entire life) lied, taken something that didn't belong to you, used God's name in vain, looked at a person with lust, disobeyed your parents, hated a person, wanted something that didn't belong to you, or not always put God first in your life, you've not kept the commandments. The Bible calls you a law-breaker and James says that one has has broken one of the commandments is guilty of all. The Bible says that God's wrath abides on the law-breakers and that a certain just judgment of hell is reserved for them. God in his mercy provided
an atonement for law-breakers, in Christ, if you repent and trust in Him alone.
The unregenerate heart won't understand nor be convicted by the word of God, they won't regard it as holy, immutable, and inerrant, and so there's no use arguing with people of false religions, they are lost, and they need to be saved first before we start talking about other issues with them. That includes the emergents when they don't clearly present their belief as faith in Christ and Christ alone. If it's a half-truth or truth is presented as non-absolute, then it's a lie. If they had faith in Him, they would acknowledge their great need for Him, because of their great sin against a holy and righteous God, whose wrath abides on them otherwise. It all comes back to a proper understanding of the law (I Timothy 1:8-11).
God bless you Steve Camp, your music blessed me growing up and your blogs bless me now.
Matt Click here to reply to this post
"I'm more humble than you because you're wrong!", etc.
Posted On: 02/21/08 05:58:18 PM
Age 26, TX
Some selected quotes...
"...they still just keep on emotionally ranting about their postmodern world of pseudo-reformed, emerging faith."
"...young, theologically immature, biblically untested, and who are undiscerning being "sympathetic to emerging cult of personality" types who get defensive at a moments notice."
"I am aware that I can be a strong, intimidating opponent for someone to have to take on, on most issues."
"If you get offended, it is intentional. I hope you even get angry; angry enough to honestly look at your promo-world of imagined faith..."
"Until then, you will have to be satisfied with ministry that is foreign to the Bible, but oh how satisfying to your depravity."
Some of the most arrogant things I've heard in a while...you're really going to win over a lot of those depraved emergent folks with these kinds of fundamentalist rants. Good luck. Click here to reply to this post
I agree, the article seems to be missing, can someone explain this???
Posted On: 02/21/08 03:09:51 PM
Age 45, NY
I am agreeing with the 2nd comment, the last paragraph of this message by Steve Camp challenges the reader to read an article that doesn't seem to be here. I hope someone will come back and clarify this. Click here to reply to this post
Reformed
Posted On: 02/21/08 09:53:25 AM
Age 54, GA
The Reformation was a reformation returning to Biblical doctrine. Reformed is reformed to the Scriptures. Movement away from scriptural orthodoxy is not reformation, it is deformation, otherwise known as heresy. Click here to reply to this post
Article missing?
Posted On: 02/21/08 09:41:57 AM
Age 47, MO
I'm not the brightest so am easily confused. In the last paragraph of your article you wrote: "may I challenge you to buck up today, play the man, and read the following article." Is there an article to follow? If so, I can't find the link. If your article is the article, then I'm further confused because it seemed like a lead up to something. Anyway, help me out. John Click here to reply to this post
Thank you, Steve, for articulating this movement so well. Your article has really helped me to gain a better understanding of how these people tick. I hope, as you say, some will come to their senses. May it please God to remove the scales from their eyes. Click here to reply to this post
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