Chuck Colson says Muslims know their Islamic faith better than Christians know their faith. In his new book The Faith: Given, Once For All, co-authored with Harold Fickett, Colson says that America and the West are under attack from the twin challenges of “secularism” and “radical Islam”, and the authors believe that a better biblical understanding of Christianity is needed by those who profess it.
Well, I concur with Mr. Colson that evangelical Christians in the West suffer from appalling biblical ignorance and are often unable to defend what they believe. But I would also suggest that the ignorance and resulting compromises are not just found among the masses as some sort of general problem. In short, Mr. Colson apparently suffers from the same affliction. How else can anyone explain his recent participation in the ReThink Conference held at heritic emeritus Robert Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral? What sort of biblical knowledge do you have to have to understand that Robert Schuller has a heretical definition of sin which he has never recanted? I quote from Schuller’s own book, Self-Esteem: The New Reformation:
“What do I mean by sin? Answer: Any human condition or act that robs God of glory by stripping one of His children of their right to divine dignity. … I can offer still another answer: ‘Sin is any act or thought that robs myself or another human being of his or her self-esteem‘” (p. 14).
“Classical theology defines sin as ‘rebellion against God.’ The answer is not incorrect as much as it is shallow and insulting to the human being. Every person deserves to be treated with dignity even if he or she is a ‘rebellious sinner” (p. 65).
“The core of original sin, then is LOT — Lack of Trust. Or, it could be considered an innate inability to adequately value ourselves. Label it a ‘negative self-image,’ but do not say that the central core of the human soul is wickedness. … positive Christianity does not hold to human depravity, but to human inability” (p. 67).
“Any analysis of ’sin’ or ‘evil’ or ‘demonic influence’ or ‘negative thinking’ or ’systemic evil’ or ‘antisocial behavior’ that fails to see the lack of self-dignity as the core of the problem will prove to be too shallow” (p. 68).
“… the core of sin is a lack of self-esteem. … Sin is psychological self-abuse. … the most serious sin is one that causes me to say, ‘I am unworthy. I may have no claim to divine sonship if you examine me at my worst.’ For once a person believes he is an ‘unworthy sinner,’ it is doubtful if he can really honestly accept the saving grace God offers in Jesus Christ” (pp. 98-99)
(For more quotes from this book of theological poison by Schuller, click here.)
Where did your host at the ReThink Conference, Dr. Schuller, find that in the Bible?
Railing against secularism and “radical Islam” (is there any other kind?) is a waste of time if even you cannot identify heresy when you see it. Perhaps you did see it, but rubbing shoulders with the world’s elite at the Rethink Conference was too important.
While we’re talking about a lack of Christian understanding of the doctrines of the faith, what was your acceptance of the Templeton Prize for Religion all about a few years ago? The pagans were strapping unicorn horns onto their heads and leaping through the hotel lobbies at the World Parliament of Religions that year. Just about every idol worshipped on earth had a representative at this Tower of Religious Babel event in Chicago. Imagine our surprise to find you accepting a million dollar prize from New Spirituality promoter, Sir John Marks Templeton. It made us all queasy Mr. Colson.
Here’s a quote from a Dave Hunt article about Templeton and his famous prize for religion.
“Ecumenism and compromise are increasingly infecting the highest ranks among evangelicals. A major contributor to that trend is wealthy Wall Street money manager John Marks Templeton. We will quote from two of his books: Discovering the Laws of Life (1994) and The Humble Approach (1981, revised in 1995), referring to them as D and H, with the page numbers. Templeton is best known for having established a religion prize of larger monetary value (currently more than $1 million) than the Nobel Prize. He explains why.
“Microbes slowly evolved into worms, fishes, reptiles, and mammals. Humans did not appear until forty thousand years ago….
According to the Jesuit paleontologist and mystic Teilhard de Chardin [known as “the father of the New Age”]… there came first the sphere of mineral evolution, the geosphere; then the sphere of living things, the biosphere; and lastly the sphere of the human mind, the noosphere…. [T]he human mind is so potent… that no one knows what may happen next. Evolution is accelerating….
Teilhard called for a new theology… a new, unprecedented religion…. Is there evidence that minds are developing into even more miraculous spirits and souls…?
As the religious forms of traditional Judaism and Christianity are losing their powers to inform the contemporary mind, the West desperately needs religious geniuses who can create new imaginal forms….
Theologians… must begin to explore the vast unseen dimensions of our evolving universe….
The next stage of human divine progress on the evolutionary scale needs… geniuses of the spirit, blazing trails for the rest of us to follow. To encourage progress of this kind, we have established the Templeton Foundation Prizes for Progress in Religion.”
Templeton has formed a religious research center called the Humility Theology Information Center for the development of “progress in religious thinking” (H, 130). Here are some of his comments regarding the progress in religion which he hopes will come out of this center:
“[N]ew research presently has as its focus the development of… spiritual truth [to be] accepted worldwide regardless of the culture or… religions of any geographical or ethnic area [now that’s ecumenism!]….
I am hoping we can develop a body of knowledge about God that doesn’t rely on ancient revelations or scripture [such as the Bible!]… that is scientific… and is not disputed because of divisions between religions or churches or ancient scripture or liturgy….
The main purpose of the Templeton Foundations is to encourage enthusiasm for accelerating discovery and progress in spiritual matters….” (H, 135-139)
According to Templeton, the world’s scriptures (including the Bible) “were written… [by] men whose minds were limited by cosmologies long since discredited” (H, 61). Nor does the Bible accurately record the words of Christ, because those who reported them “could write down only what they understood… [as] ignorant and primitive… Jews.” (H, 39-40).”
Mr. Colson, you can imagine our surprise that you would want to take a million dollar gift for Prison Fellowship from a source that is openly attacking the authority of the Scriptures!
The greatest threats to this country and to Christianity do not come from secularism and radical Islam. The greatest threat we face are the wolves within evangelicalism who are subverting the Gospel, undermining the authority of the word of God and who seduce leaders like Colson to participate and legitimize their apostate ministries. Dr. Robert Schuller, the host for Colson and many others at the ReThink Conference in January, featured New Age leader and Course in Miracles promoter, Dr. Jerry Jampolsky, on his Hour of Power program a number of times. He called Jampolsky’s work, “marvelous”, and he carries his book, Forgiveness, in the Crystal Cathedral gift shop, even though it is endorsed by one of the world’s leading New Agers, Neale Donald Walsch. Colson is silent about this evil going on in the name of Jesus Christ.
How about Colson’s co-authoring the Evangelicals and Catholics together document? Do the just live by faith alone or by faith plus works, Chuck? Does Scripture not speak to this? Are we saved by anything of our own merit, or is the only merit found in Jesus Christ alone? Which is it? Is there any wonder there’s so much doctrinal confusion around today when our evangelical leaders refuse to accept Scripture alone as their authority?
As far as I am concerned, Colson needs to repent for participating with those who promote the doctrines of anti-Christ and focus his sights on the real threats facing the church today. They are from within.
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If I remember correctly, Jesus spent time with people who believed (and taught) false doctrine.
I remember a passage where Paul goes to speak to philosophers concerning the unknown god.
The light must go into the darkness. It will not be illuminated otherwise.
Good for you, Mr. Colson. Shame on you, Ingrid for making HUGE logical leaps and passing judgment on Mr. Colson simply for appearing in bad company.
God forbid we try and change the minds of people who have fallen into heresy by befriending them. Click here to reply to this post
Amen...In Part
Posted On: 02/20/08 01:29:52 PM
Age 40, PA
Some leaders are leading the flock away from Jesus but much of the flock thinks that Christianity is democratic and refuses to follow God's word and commands. The flock is far from innocents being led away ONLY by bad shepherds.
Grace and Peace,
Jim Click here to reply to this post
Scripture versus Philosophical Doctrines
Posted On: 02/20/08 12:32:42 PM
Age 45, MN
Forgive me, but the author of this article criticizes Colson for his errant definitions of what sin is, yet does not enlighten the reader with the proper Biblical definition of what sin is. Instead the author criticizes (and rightly so) Colson's deviation from the Biblical text, yet uses her own variant definitions in the form of conflicting doctrines to define hers. So what we have here is one person's doctrine versus another person's doctrine. Perhaps, both sets of doctrines are errant. What does the Bible say? 1 John 3:4 - "Everyone who practices sin also practices Lawlessness; and sin is Lawlessness." Sin is the transgression of God's Law, not some doctrine made up by men. Secondly, the author of Proverbs states the same, Proverbs 4:2 - "For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my Law." We see here that the Law (Torah in Hebrew) is the instruction from God whereby doctrine is to be derived. Thirdly, Paul states that doctrine comes from God too. 1 Timothy 6:1 - "...that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed." Before there ever was an assembled New Testament text, Paul instructs in 2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." So, when Paul says, "As it is written," what body of Scripture does he quote from the most? Paul also instructs Titus in Titus 2:7 - "In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity..." We see that good works are to be performed out of the proper doctrine, that is, according to Scripture, based upon the Torah of God. So why does the author have such an issue with works, when they are a requirement of our faith (cf. Mat. 5:16, 2 Titus 3:17)? Is it Philosophy by which we determine what sin and doctrine is, or is it the Scriptures? Click here to reply to this post
Let's ask him why?
Posted On: 02/19/08 08:55:07 PM
Age 45, AR
I was reading today about George Whitefield and how some people didn't want him to preach in the pulpits of Arminian preachers. This is what he told them, "I would preach in the popes pulpit if invited, and I would proclaim Jesus and Him crucified to them all. Soli Deo Gloria Click here to reply to this post
Preaching Anywhere
Posted On: 02/22/08 09:30:46 AM
Age 40, TX
There was a comment made about how George Whitefield would preach basically anywhere. I would like to say that Colson is hardly a preacher first. Second, lets use Paul Washer as a modern day example. He would probably go to a Rethink conference if invited and really preach the Gospel. He would not likely be invited back. That is the difference. You can't say I am going to these conferences to share the Gospel unless you really are. Those who really preach the Gospel and are faithful to the bible are not normally invited to speak at conferences like Rethink. One more thing, we should also consider Colson's involvement in the Evangelicals and Catholics Together statements over the years. Click here to reply to this post
Arminianism Isn't the Same as Heresy, Friend
Posted On: 02/20/08 11:01:04 AM
Age 41, WI
The Wesley/Whitefield argument is a far cry from Schuller hosting New Agers and redefining sin. That's damnable heresy. There's a BIG difference. Do people not get how important our understanding of sin is to true salvation? You change that, you've changed the entire gospel.
The Bible--Sin is any lack of conformity to or transgression of the Law of God.
Schuller: Sin is any lack of self-esteem or anything that reduces my dignity as a creature of God.
What a difference. Click here to reply to this post
Trouble is deeper than I thought....
Posted On: 02/19/08 08:29:00 PM
Age 48, GA
I have been troubled for some time that it seems the wheels are coming off of Christianity in America. I know that there will always be a holy remnant, but increasingly it seems churches are chasing after "relevance" and "marketability". Praise songs that focus on emotions that used to be found in teenage love songs have replaced solid hymns of the faith. I sometimes think that maybe it is just that I am turning into an old curmudgeon, but then I read articles like this that make me think maybe I'm not so wrong. I was amazed that Schueller and Templeton are so far removed from biblically based faith. We need a revival based on Bible preaching. We need a modern day Jonathan Edwards! Click here to reply to this post
Be careful
Posted On: 02/19/08 07:14:18 PM
Age 47, IL
Chuck Colson has been a compelling voice for our faith for many years. I am appalled by feedback that questions his "confession" as being suspect, that his faith was a choice "in the same way he could have chosen to drive a cab."
Brothers and sisters, I'm not suggesting we chill out on sin. But keep some perspective. Have you read "How Now Shall We Live"? Have you paid attention to the incredible work God has done through the organization Mr. Colson leads?
I'm not suggesting we overlook the guilty by association points of this article. Question them, pursue them for an explanation. I truly want to know why Colson went to ReThink but I'm also not ready to convict the guy without getting his perspective. Some of the comments thus far border on spiritual libel.
Let's be watchful and speak the truth, but let's not be Pharisees self-righteously wondering why Colson is hanging with tax collectors and sinners. He might be off track. But he also might be a voice that desperately needs to be heard to get that audience back to the Biblical worldview that Colson so consistently and cogently has argued. Click here to reply to this post
Consider this
Posted On: 02/19/08 10:07:00 PM
Age 56, NE
Have you considered the damage done by Colson in equating Biblical Christianity with Roman Catholicism? Until he admits that he has misled the church on this issue he has no Biblical credibility. Sure he says some good things but does that outweigh his error? Click here to reply to this post
Please provide a link to this assertion
Posted On: 02/20/08 07:03:01 PM
Age 47, IL
I would like to see the context of his equating Biblical Christianity to Roman Catholicism. Please provide a reference. Click here to reply to this post
ECT
Posted On: 02/21/08 03:01:00 PM
Age 56, NE
"We are Evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics who have been led through prayer, study, and discussion to common convictions about Christian faith and mission." That is how the document "Evangelicals & Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium" begins. Here is another quote further into the document, "All who accept Christ as Lord and Savior are brothers and sisters in Christ. Evangelicals and Catholics are brothers and sisters in Christ." The full text can be read here http://www.cwrc-rz.org/documents/ect.php so that you can see first hand what it is about. It is a call to action for all "Christians" and the first name listed is Chuck Colson. Read through it and see if Catholics and Evangelicals aren't lumped together and called brothers and sisters in Christ. If Colson believes that, then Biblical Christianity and Catholicism are equally valid to him. Read this document and remember that he is listed as first signatory. Click here to reply to this post
Sticking with Chuck
Posted On: 02/19/08 07:01:21 PM
Age 47, FL
I just saw Mr. Colson speak 2 weeks ago. His talk was straight on Biblical Christianity. Of course, Chuck is a friend to the dreaded Rick Warren, so therefore more meat for the Worldview grinder.
It would be amazing to know who is a true teacher and worthy of Worldview's praise.
It's real easy to tear stuff down. Now give a try to building up the body. Click here to reply to this post
Positive
Posted On: 02/19/08 10:09:42 PM
Age 56, NE
That's right, let's keep being positive since that seems to be what works. You don't have to know much about Colson's history to know that he has done great damage to the church. He needs to repent of his unbiblical view of Roman Catholicism before he speaks to anything else. All of the "building-up" in the world isn't going to fix his faulty view of the atonement. Click here to reply to this post
RE: Positive
Posted On: 02/20/08 12:50:11 AM
Age 19, CA
You know, it's a pity that people need to have a precise view of the atonement in your eyes before they should be allowed to speak. By the way, who is defining the correct view of the atonement? Is it you? Is it the "correct" biblical commentaries and "correct" systematic theology books? It it the body of believers? Or should we stop, think for a little while, and realize how presumptuous we are being? The church has had about two thousand years to study the atonement, and I'm willing to bet everything that belongs to me that we've only scratched the surface of what actually happened at the cross. Sure, you can say that it was substitutionary, governmental, or whatever you like, and it's a great idea to dwell on. But to point and say, "This is what the correct view is!" takes away from the mystery of God. So let's think for ourselves, asking the Holy Spirit for guidance, and not tell people they shouldn't speak EVER simply based on their view of the atonement. If they are espousing heresy, let's confront them and tell them so, but let's not sacrifice hearing truth from them by keeping them from speaking. That's simply lazy. Click here to reply to this post
Atonement
Posted On: 02/21/08 03:08:47 PM
Age 56, NE
So do you believe that the Catholic and Evangelical view of the atonement are equally valid? One is based on works and the other the grace of God. You seem to believe that since people disagree on a doctrine that there is no correct view. The doctrine as set forth in the New Testament is in opposition to what the Catholic Church teaches. So are they both okay? Do some research on what Catholicism holds as dogma. I hope you will see that it doesn't hold up in the light of Scripture. Colson has done great damage to the Evangelical community by not opposing this error. Click here to reply to this post
RE: Atonement
Posted On: 02/21/08 07:31:23 PM
Age 19, CA
I wasn't arguing that those views were equally valid, I was positing them as equally INVALID. There is so much more to the atonement than we can ever comprehend, and to say that since one guy doesn't quite get it as well as another guy does, he shouldn't speak--that's pretty shallow. But my larger point was that since nobody's theology is perfect, why not start testing what people say? You say, "Colson has done great damage to the Evangelical community by not opposing this error." This is completely false! It is NOT, in fact, Charles Colson's responsibility to tell people what to think. It is instead the evangelical community which has done great damage to itself by not opposing something that is false. Simply because a pastor or a great teacher of the Word says something does not imply that we should believe it without examination. Click here to reply to this post
Wow
Posted On: 02/23/08 08:32:44 PM
Age 56, NE
So, the Biblical view of the atonement is just as wrong as the Catholic view? Colson has made it clear that he believes that Catholics and Evangelicals are brothers and sisters in Christ. He has signed a statement to that effect. That is what he should be opposing, not pushing it as being true. It is not and he is in serious error. Your position seems to be that we should give everybody a break, even when they are in error Biblically and misleading people with false doctrines. What exactly is the standard that you use? Click here to reply to this post
Dave Hunt - a very humble and brilliant theological scholar
Posted On: 02/19/08 05:52:04 PM
Age 64, OR
Sure, Dave Hunt has taken the "heat" over the years for his concrete positions on various Biblical points and cult followers. When Dave leaves Earth to be with Jesus, we will lose one of the most knowledgable human "think tanks" (well developed brain) about Scriptures and apostate Christian teachings, yet the angels will rejoice and sing for Dave.
Chuck Colson is only but one professed Christian who fulfills Scripture by "in the last days even the elect will be deceived". Many so-called evangelicals (Warren, Osteen, Hybels, etc.) have gone to the Schuler school on "church growth" which is embedded with "positive thinking" apostasy. Click here to reply to this post
Actually scripture says:
Posted On: 02/21/08 07:20:49 AM
Age 41, GA
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Click here to reply to this post
agree wholeheartedly
Posted On: 02/19/08 12:32:21 PM
Age 60, KS
I agree with everything said in the article. We need to pray for Chuck as he is being deceived. Click here to reply to this post
What about the book?
Posted On: 02/19/08 12:08:21 PM
Age 42, CO
Does anyone find it curious that Miss Schlueter ignores the content of Mr. Colson's book altogether and chooses to quote from sources that presumably she wants us to believe are endorsed by Mr. Colson? Doesn't this seem like a bait and switch for the sake of ax grinding on a topic that isn't quite on point with the sensational headline of the article? Miss Schlueter's opinions seem an attempt to create guilt by association and offer no real evidence of apostasy from Mr. Colson's work. This begs the question does Miss Schlueter consider one who has any association with those whom she considers heretics to be a heretic? There seems no need to expound on this logic as we all know where this goes. Click here to reply to this post
Wolves
Posted On: 02/19/08 06:26:34 PM
Age 45., ME
Just because a wolf looks like a sheep doesn't mean he is a sheep.
Doesn't it bother you that he merged the Cathlocs with the Evangelicals?
One way to know if you are going to hell is if you violate the 10 commandments. Isn't one of them about not bowing down to idols or people that died that aren't God?
Didn't scripture warn us of another gospel and another Jesus. The Mary of the Cathloc church is sinless too. Therefore from the foundation up, we have another mother, another Jesus and another gospel. Click here to reply to this post
Religion is false
Posted On: 02/20/08 07:58:24 AM
Age 47, MO
A wolf looks like a sheep? Maybe in NE but not here in MO. Ok, RC is a Christian based religion that has embrsed many errors such as the Immaculate conception of Mary, Mother of God. As you know, that whole phrase is riddled with error and has no Scriptural basis. But: is the error any more than some Protestant religions that base their whole ideology on Calvinism, Saturday Sabbath, Tongues, Baptism, Arminianism, etc? Or how about other Bible based religions that are just as odd such as JW or Judism? What I'm saying is that ALL Religions have mixed lies into pure Christianity that are contrary to Christian liberty (Colossians talks about this)
Brother, it is Christ who seperates the sheep from the wolves, the wheat from the tares, it is not OUR job. (I gotta go, I'll let you respond before I continue.) John Click here to reply to this post
Biblical apostasy in any form is rebellion against God
Posted On: 02/20/08 02:31:33 PM
Age 64, OR
What you speak of is the open and secret divisiveness in what is called Christendom. One only has to be a sincere student of Scripture and true follower of Christ Jesus to KNOW those who follow after men (it doesn't matter if it is Calvin, Warren, Schuler, Osteen, et al) the fact remains they have become faithfully deceived by MEN and are apostate to the personal relationship with God/Jesus and are void of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is replete with warnings about following men who teach another Jesus and preach another gospel.
Those who are in Christian "sects" (denominations and even non-denominations) and believe in tenets of faith or cult religions (Roman Catholicism, Jehovah Witness, Mormans, Islam, etc.) have compromised what is truth to believe what is a lie. The fact is since the beginning of mankind, man has chosen to follow the lie and few are obedient to God. This is why when Jesus comes to "catch up" (rapture) the church many will be left on Earth to endure tribulation and the great tribulation. These are those who will be told at the judgement seat of God/Jesus, "I know you not - be gone!". Click here to reply to this post
Here's the truth!
Posted On: 02/21/08 08:50:12 AM
Age 47, MO
You are absolutely correct and I'm not arguing that. What are are saying is that the path is straight and narrow...I'm saying it is more straight and narrow than this article even suggests. I am saying that all religions are man's injecting laws, theology, reasoning, etc into the simple gospel. The simple gospel is this: CHRIST ONLY. This is why a thief on the cross, a baby in the womb, the innocent child, the new convert, etc, are saved. They have yet to corrupt the straight and narrow with religion instituted by good intentions. When we cry out to God in our dispair, in our utter sinfulness, is when we are closer to God. Yet, a normal Christian life is one of pride and arrogance (I am chief!) and thinking that we are defending Christ- He needs no defense, he needs a witness. John Click here to reply to this post
Part 2
Posted On: 02/20/08 01:32:15 PM
Age 47, MO
Don't miss my point, I'm not saying that there isn't grave error within Catholicism, I'm saying that their error isn't much different than other religions. We have to ask ourselves; can Christ be found in Catholicism? The answer is yes. He is shrouded in myth and tradition but he is there. Regardless of this arguement; shunning Catholics, shunning Baptists, or all those other religions of a different theological bent or flavor hasn't worked but has harmed Christianity. We think our particular flavor is pure and that we got God all figured out, but we are truly fooling ourselves in our pride. The only answer I can offer is to work together where there is unity, and to agree to respectfully disagree where there is division. Christ will sort it all out, it's His fight. I haven't seen where Chuck spoke any error and would appreciate anyone providing quotes. John Click here to reply to this post
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