A few years ago, two women began attending the same local church at roughly the same time. Although these women didn't know each other, they shared striking similarities. Both came from abusive backgrounds, both were substance abusers, both were unmarried but living in sexual immorality, and both were in trouble financially.They even shared the same first name (for the sake of privacy I'm calling them Cindy and Cindy, but these are not their real names).
A friend of mine is a pastor at this church. He and his wife sacrificially poured their lives into both Cindys, sharing the gospel faithfully and repeatedly and offering as much practical and financial assistance as they were able. In time, both women professed faith in Jesus Christ, became members, and immersed themselves in church life.
All seemed well until Cindy number 1 began to miss church on occasion, for reasons that were less than compelling. After a time her non-attendance became a habit that was broken only when she had an urgent need, usually for financial or practical assistance. After a while she became involved once again in sexual immorality, although she tried to keep this hidden from the church. Eventually she began living with a married man, and, though confronted by pastors, she refused to repent. Now she has fallen away completely.
Cindy number 2, on the other hand, began growing in Christ from the outset. She loved His Word and she loved His people. She gave up the bottle and embraced the cross instead. Hers was not a short-lived experience like Cindy number 1. She has gladly put away her immoral lifestyle in exchange for the joy of holiness, and has been walking in consistent purity. Everywhere she goes she tells people about Jesus—including the hospital room where she frequently sits with her unconverted father who is dying. People who knew her before her conversion cannot help but wonder if she is really the same person. She has a quiet peace about her and her face shines with the love of Christ.
Why is there such a great difference between these two women now when at first they seemed to have so much in common?
Was Cindy number 1 not properly discipled after her profession of faith? No, they both sat under the same teaching in the same church and were lovingly cared for and privately taught by the same Christian couple.
Was the church not as responsive to the needs of Cindy number 1 as Cindy number 2? If you were to ask my friend he would say no. If anything, he tells me, more time, energy, and loving care was poured into Cindy number 1.
Was Cindy number 1 not as sincere when she professed faith in Christ? No, both professions of faith seemed genuine and entirely credible at the time. Both women seemed determined to live for Christ.
Did Cindy number 1 lose her salvation? Was she justified by faith and then unjustified because she fell away into sin? No, God's Word assures us that all who are truly justified will also be glorified (cf. Rom. 8:30-39; John 10:27-28).
The sobering fact is, although both Cindys professed faith in Christ, only one of them was truly converted. That's not just my opinion, it's what we must say if we are to be honest with others and faithful to Scripture. Biblically, we have no basis for calling a person a Christian if he or she bears no characteristics of a Christian. At the present time, Cindy number 1 bears none of the marks of a true believer. Instead, she consistently exhibits many of the characteristics of the ungodly and unbelieving. And as John said,
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. (1 John 3:10)
Cindy number 2 is not perfect—no Christian ever will be in this life—but she is growing more and more Christ-like all the time. She is diligently pursuing holiness and she loves her brothers and sisters in the church so much that she longs to be with them regularly. This is the work of the Spirit of God in her, progressively completing what He has started. It is what He does in all who truly belong to Christ. Those who are truly God's children have been "predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son" (Rom. 8:29).
So what's the main point of this story? The point is, when God saves a person, He also changes that person, not superficially or at a merely emotional level that causes tears of sorrow and a sincere response to an invitation, but deeply and comprehensively, in every area of life—and not temporarily, but permanently.
Jesus spoke of "those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy" (Luke 8:13). Both Cindys looked like this at first. From our limited perspective they both looked like true believers. But Jesus goes on in the same verse to describe what happens next to people like Cindy number 1. He says, "and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."
Cindy number 2, on the other hand, is described in Luke 8:15 when Jesus says, "these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance." True saving faith is transforming faith, and as Jesus said, "it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved" (Matt. 10:22).
What would Jesus say about some of the professing Christians who are members of your church? Are they more like Cindy number 1, like the person described in Luke 8:13? Or are they more like Cindy number 2, like the person described in Luke 8:15? What about your own children who made early professions of faith but are now teenagers? Most importantly, what about you?
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I only have one brief phrase:
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
I rarely attend church, but I do strongly believe in the faith. Does that make me a sinner? My confessions are personal in nature and confidential. Click here to reply to this post
I wonder what you would say of Cindy #2 if later in life she followed the path of Cindy #1. Given that dilemna, what would you say of Cindy #1 if later you found she repented and joined a Nazarene church? Would you look upon her with scorn, thinking that her faith must be different and thus inferior to your own? Again, a Calvinist propaganda piece judging people's salvation by the doctrines of Calvinism, yet the fact remains that salvation is NOT secure until death and then only Christ will judge. Jim or Daryl, I look forward to your response. John Click here to reply to this post
RESPONSE TO JOHN--AND-JESUS SAVES
Posted On: 12/25/07 11:08:14 AM
Age 38, CA
John, this isn't Jim or Daryl...But
I think that you totally missed the point. The article isn't being judgmental, or used as a proganda piece, but rather, it's procaliming the truth in love. The truth is crystal clear: Again, biblically speaking, we have no basis for calling a person a Christian if he or she bears no characteristics of a Christian. when God saves a person, He also changes that person, not superficially or at a merely emotional level that causes tears of sorrow and a sincere response to an invitation, but deeply and comprehensively, in every area of life—and not temporarily, but permanently. Whether we like it or not, this is the God-honest truth. {and I'm not a hyper calvinists].
SHANE Click here to reply to this post
It aint over till it's over
Posted On: 12/27/07 11:11:37 AM
Age 47, MO
Shane:
Thanks for initiating conversation. I don't disagree with anything YOU wrote except for the judgemental part. This article was portrayed as a true tale with changed names, therefore it IS judgemental by nature to those intimately aquainted with the story. Also as I wrote previously, salvation is the providence of God. Our job is not to condone or condemn but to allow the HS to control our lives. We are to build one another up in the faith in humble gratitude not an air of superior theology. This POV would be best represented by Christ's attitude and behavior toward Judas. Christ's example is even more remarkable given that He knows all things and that Satan would use Judas for the greatest gift.
As an example of the falacy of Two Cindy's, let's look at King David's life. He was a lowly shepherd boy whom God chose. He grew to trust God, became King and then committed murder, sexual immorality, and the death of numerous countryman in battle. Certainly, his "Cindy" ran the gammet of death to life to death and then back to life as a man after God's own heart. My point again, the air of superior theology that is inherrant in Calvinistic theology is a death kiss that is obvious by this and other letters these "ministries" produce. Shane: My Cindy is offered to God daily as a living offering to His will. Some days I am Cindy #1 and other days my family would say Cindy #2 is closer to the truth. We would all do better to not judge the moment but to allow God to work all things for good. I look forward to more dialog by yourself and others. Just a vapor- John Click here to reply to this post
Cindy and Cindy
Posted On: 12/21/07 11:11:45 AM
Age 61, MO
This story explains why a confession of faith must come from conviction of the Holy Spirit--it cannot originate from man. George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post
The Two Cindys
Posted On: 12/21/07 07:54:15 AM
Age 55, KY
This is a scenario repeated over and over in many churches, unfortunately too often we only see Cindy 1 results, my question is what led to the so-called profession of faith, a true desire for a relationship with God through Christ or for some other reason, not wanting to go to hell, wanting to continue getting assistance or attention from the church, etc. Needless to say if a person's primary reason for making a profession is not to enter into a relationship with God through Christ then there is a very high probability that a false profession of faith has taken place and that person is not genuinely saved. Click here to reply to this post
Cindy # 3
Posted On: 12/21/07 06:22:48 AM
Age 45, PA
Let's not forget Cindy #3. She was born into a religous family, forced to go to Sunday ritual as part of her family culture. Cindy has never been converted but still attends the rituals every week and she is a very nice person. Cindy married a nice unconverted church attender and has 3 kids whom she drags out every Sunday. Cindy(s) fill the churches every week and will one day die in her sins and go to hell.
The act of conversion is a miracle and is not by the manipulation of man to fill "his" tabernacles! I have my doubts about Cindy #2 conversion. Did she just find a nice social club with a lot of nice people? Much of today's deceptions is aimed at the unconverted church attender. Click here to reply to this post
A tale of two Cindys, Cindy #3
Posted On: 12/26/07 12:33:59 PM
Age 52, NE
I'm so glad someone remembered Cindy No. 3. Cindy No. 1 is at least aware of her lost estate, and still has a chance perhaps someday to repent of her sins, while Cindy No. 2 is learning to work out her salvation with fear and trembling day by day, but poor Cindy No. 3 has no idea whatever that her soul is in mortal danger - and will likely protest one day, "But Lord did we not" do thus and so in your name ???? only to hear Him say, "depart from me, I never knew you..."
Sign me, Cindy No. 2 and thankful every day. Click here to reply to this post
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