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Is Christianity Arrogant? -Part 1



Posted: 12/18/2007

Is Christianity Arrogant? -Part 1

by Israel Wayne

 

A few months ago I was in a conversation with a well-known Christian leader who shared with me that he struggles with the concept of people going to hell. "As I get older," he confided to me, "I am leaning more toward universalism (the belief that everyone goes to heaven regarding of their beliefs or actions). I just can't envision a loving God sending people to a dark, eternal punishment simply because they don't believe exactly the way we do." This view is shared by many Christians today.

 

Certainly, God knows those that are His (2 Tim. 2:19). Jesus Himself said that we shouldn't go around pulling up weeds because we might be pulling up plants unknowingly (Matt. 13:28-30). We should allow the harvesters to do that at the end of the age. That Christian leader is certainly correct that God alone will judge all the earth, and He will not condemn the innocent (Gen. 18:25).

 

However, I think a bigger issue that looms behind the question of who makes it to heaven and who doesn't. It is an Epistemological question of what can be ultimately known and claimed by finite human beings.

 

There seems to be an argument that goes something like this:

 

Premise A: Claiming to know something absolutely is arrogant.

Premise B: Christians claim to know some things absolutely.

Conclusion: Christians are arrogant.

There is no formal fallacy in the argument, but at least one of the premises is false. Can you identify it? I hope you guessed correctly: A.

How Did This Idea Develop?
After the 18th century era of The "Enlightenment", with its abandonment of the Supernatural concept  in favor of Rationalism (we can know everything through reason), the Modernist era (a generic term given to the time period from approximately 1859 when Darwin's "Origin of Species" was published, until about the 1950s) adopted a view of reality that said we can know science, mathematics and the Empirical world (what we can experience with our natural senses), but anything in the Metaphysical world (the non-physical world), we cannot claim to know as a "fact."

The German philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche, who is famous for his dictum "God is dead," is credited with making the shift in popular discourse from talking about morals to talking about "values." We hear this term a lot in political circles today: "Values Voters," or "I'm for traditional values," etc. The reason this shift occurred is because some philosophers did not like idea of morals because morals or morality implies a "Moral Law-Giver," and if such a being exists, we are accountable to Him.

Therefore, public discussion shifted from discussing morals (which have an absolute point of reference) to "values" which simply means, "Something that I hold dear," or "Something I believe."

There is a big difference between the two.

 

The Fact/Value Dichotomy then emerged and can be pictured this way:

Imagine a two story house.

The bottom floor is called: "FACT." (The Physical World)
The top floor is called: "VALUES." (The Metaphysical World)

People compartmentalize their lives into these two levels, going from one to the other, but always having to separate them. They enjoy their values, which are important, but personal and private.

 

If Matter Is All There Is, Morality Can't Exist

The more honest philosophers, however, have admitted that if the bottom floor is universally true, and to quote Carl Sagan, "The Cosmos is all there is, was, or ever will be," then there really is no point in holding to a concept of values at all because the TOP FLOOR DOESN'T REALLY EXIST!!! We just imagine it to, because we desire for it to exist. In other words, there is no real metaphysical reality.

 

That is why B.F. Skinner wrote his book, Beyond Freedom and Dignity. He was attempting to convince people that they are biological machines, predetermined by their DNA and environment to do, think and feel, everything. (A strange thing to prove if they don't truly have free minds!)

The Biblical Christian, on the other hand, categorically denies this false dichotomy. We assert that we live on one combined floor and that both the Physical and the Metaphysical (non-physical world of thoughts, emotions, spirituality, etc.) are both knowable because God made them both and has revealed them both to us. In other words, Truth (all Truth, both Physical and Metaphysical) can be known.

 

Therefore, we can speak authoritatively not only about the physical world, but the spiritual, or metaphysical world as well. While not all Metaphysical concepts are absolute (values are not), some are and can be known. As Christians, we have a true revelation of the laws and truths of both the seen and unseen world.

 

Copyright 2007, by Israel Wayne. All Rights Reserved.

 

Israel Wayne was home educated and currently serves as Marketing Director for the national publication Home School Digest, and the site editor for www.ChristianWorldview.net. He is the author of the book, Homeschooling From A Biblical Worldview, published by Wisdomfs Gate. Israel and his wife Brook (also a homeschool graduate) have five young children. Write to: Wisdom's Gate, P.O. Box 374, Covert, MI 49043. 1-800-343-1943 or www.WisdomsGate.org

 

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Christianity Is Arrogant
Posted On: 12/19/07 04:23:18 PM Age 37, NY
I too find it hard to believe that a loving god would send people to hell for an eternity (for whatever reason). But there it is right there in the scriptures. If I were god, I would not choose to do such a thing. But those are MY values. God doesn't care about my values. He only cares about his own. And it was God who set the whole thing up this way. He didn't have to do construct this whole do or die ultimatum situation but he choose to--presumably based on his own values. Who are we to question the cosmic creator and dictator? A slight comparrison: If a woman put a gun to my head and told me to love and marry her or die. My marring her would only be out of fear of death and not based in love--this would also not reflect my own values--to bad for me. Presumably she would know that I was just going through the motions. She could later choose to kill me if she so desired. But what purpose would all this serve. Her glory? I guess it is not my/our place to question such things. Those who do question such things are sometimes confronted by Christians who know God's "plan" forwards and backwards. To them, arragounce on the part of the Christian comes to mind. I imagine that the SS and the others who carried out Hitler's plan seemed arrogant as well.
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  1. ANGER DOES NOT BRING WISDOM
    Posted On: 12/22/07 01:51:14 AMAge 64, OH
    You are certainly correct about one thing you say. You are not God. I am thankful you are not God and I am thankful I am not God. It does not take much wisdom to look at the creation and see there is a Creator. It also does not take much wisdom to see that man is evil and does not do a good job running the world. It is common sense to ask my Creator to show me the truth for I can see my lack. But some are so foolish as to think their selves wiser than God. Then they are angry with God for their foolishness. Humility brings wisdom. Lou
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  2. Re: Christianity Is Arrogant
    Posted On: 12/21/07 12:34:48 PMAge 30, IA
    MY RESPONSE IS IN ALL CAPS: I too find it hard to believe that a loving god would send people to hell for an eternity ... FOR DISCUSSION, DO YOU THINK GOD AND HELL EXIST? But there it is right there in the scriptures. CHAPTER-VERSE? If I were god, I would not choose to do such a thing. WOULD YOU NOT SEND HITLER TO HELL? But those are my values. God doesn't care about my values. He only cares about his own. WHY SHOULD HE CARE ABOUT YOUR VALUES AND NOT HITLERS? And it was God who set the whole thing up this way... Who are we to question the cosmic creator and dictator? ID ENCOURAGE YOU TO QUESTION HIM. IT WOULDNT HURT TO READ THE BIBLE COMPLETELY, TOO. IN YOUR COMPARISON YOU MENTIONED fear of death. DO YOU FEAR DEATH? Those who do question such things are sometimes confronted by Christians who know God's "plan" forwards and backwards. WHAT DO YOU THINK GODS PLAN IS? NOT CONFRONTING - JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. To them, arragounce on the part of the Christian comes to mind. IF ARROGANCE IS BAD, IS THAT YOUR VALUE OR AN OBJECTIVE MORAL? I imagine that the SS and the others who carried out Hitler's plan seemed arrogant as well. IF YOU ALINE REPENTANCE-FORGIVENESS (Gods Plan) WITH KILLING EVERYONE (Hitlers plan), PLEASE EXPLAIN THE LOGIC.
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WHAT WE SEE IS NOT REALITY
Posted On: 12/19/07 10:15:34 AM Age 64, OH
Men like Carl Sagan are acting like fools. They say the physical world is all that there is. How do they define this physical world; by what we can see? We know that the physical realm is NOT as it appears. We see a solid object at rest with our eyes but it is not as it appears. It is almost all NOTHING. It is a few particles moving at the speed of light and is mostly space. But not even these particles are what we call matter. They are nothing but little strings of energy and their is no matter but only our perception of it. So the physical world is not as it appears. We can not depend on our human senses but these senses are useful so as not to walk in front of a truck. The only thing that is real is what was from the beginning, and is, and will be. We should seek reality or truth. If we look at the creation then we can see there is a Creator. It is only reasonable to seek this Creator who has created all. For none of us can bring about his own existence. This fact which is so easily seen should cause us to humble ourselves and seek our Creator. Lou
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Arrogant - The First Fallacy
Posted On: 12/18/07 11:46:53 PM Age 47, AR
Mr. Wayne, Thank you for your insightful article. The breakdown of logic in the opinions of the deceived never ceases to amaze me. You have done an excellent job of clarifying muddy waters, stirred up purposefully, of course, by those who simply want to eliminate all accountability to God. Unfortunately, logic doesn't seem to work well with these people. This is the point at which they begin screaming, calling you hateful, and employing other manipulations to, once again, create confusion and muddy the waters. But for the sake of developing discernment in believers, I would like to address another fallacy in the statement by the "Christian" leader you quoted at the beginning of your article. He said, "I just can't envision a loving God sending people to a dark, eternal punishment simply because they don't believe exactly the way we do." The cause and effect in this statement has no biblical basis. If this statement were true, "we" would replace God as the source of truth. God does not use human belief systems as His standard for deciding the eternal destination of people. People don't go to hell because "they don't believe exactly the way WE do." What Christians believe has no bearing on another person's salvation or damnation. People go to hell because they don't believe the truth as God reveals it, not because they disagree with a human belief system. They are choosing to go to hell by their own rebellion against God. The "Christian" leader you quoted has offered a flawed statement as a diversion from the real issue: Do you believe God as He has revealed Himself, or not? Unfortunately, many believers are blindsided by such diversions and don't know how to answer fallacy-based statements. Thank you for challenging Christians to THINK! Shari
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