Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted: 10/28/2007
Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
‘Jesus himself spoke profusely about true and false conversion,’ Jim Elliff says.
Written by Melissa Deming, TEXAN Correspondent
Posted Monday, December 11, 2006
Despite the doctrinal victories of the conservative resurgence, the Southern Baptist Convention is dying, contends Jim Elliff, founder and president of Christian Communicators Worldwide. With congregations of many unregenerate members and long rosters of inactive members, Elliff urged Southern Baptists to combat the rising trend of unregenerate membership before it is too late.
“The Southern Baptist Convention has a name that indicates that it is alive, but is in fact, mostly dead. Regardless of the wonderful advances in our commitment to the Bible, the recovery of our seminaries, a closer look reveals a denomination that is more like a corpse than a fit athlete,” Elliff wrote in an article published on his website, www.ccwonline.org, titled “Southern Baptists, an Unregenerate Denomination.”
With Southern Baptists claiming 16,287,494 members nationwide, only 6 million people or 37 percent attend services at their church, according to statistics from LifeWay’s Strategic Information and Planning Department.
“In other words, if you have 200 in attendance on Sunday morning, you likely have 500-600 or even more on your roll,” Elliff said, adding that the numbers of attending members is even lower in evening services. “These figures suggest that nearly 90 percent of Southern Baptist church members appear to be little different from the ‘cultural Christians’ who populate other mainline denominations.”
Even if the small percentage of members who attend services are considered true believers, Elliff said Southern Baptist congregations are still more dead than alive. “If we are honest, we might have to ask ourselves, ‘Do Southern Baptists believe in a regenerate membership?’”
Having served on church staffs in Florida, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma and speaking to groups and congregations across the United States and overseas, Elliff shared some practical examples of unregenerate congregations obtained through his travels.
“In one church, with 7,000 on the active roll, there were only 2,000 in attendance on Sunday morning,” he said, excluding an additional 500 for guests and non-member children. “You have about 1,500 actual members coming in the morning and 500 or so in the evening. Where are the 5,500 members who are missing on Sunday mornings? Where are the 6,500 who are missing in the evening?”
Another church in which Elliff spoke reported 2,100 on the attendance roster with 725 showing up for Sunday morning service. “Remove guests and non-member children and the figure drops to 600 or less. Only about a third of that number came out on Sunday evening, representing less than 10 percent of the membership.”
If love of the brethren serves as evidence for love of the Father, Elliff believes that many of the “missing Christians” are probably not Christians at all.
“Attendance alone does not guarantee that anyone is an authentic believer, but ‘forsaking the assembling,’ is a serious sign of the unregenerate heart,” he said, referring to 1 John 3:14-19. “But their apathy towards regular and faithful church attendance betrays their true affections.”
Despite evangelistic crusades that yield large numbers of converts, only a small percentage of new believers remain in the church to continue spiritual growth, Elliff said, adding that poor follow-up is not to blame.
“In many churches there is every intention and effort given to follow-up, yet still the poor numbers persist,” he said, citing an example of a church that followed discipleship methods “by the book” after the crusade of an internationally-known evangelist. Yet the pastor reported that very few of the new believers wanted to “talk about how to grow as a Christian.”
Elliff said authentic believers will not reject opportunities for spiritual growth, having been given love for the body of Christ and the Word of God. “But you cannot follow-up on a spiritually dead person. Being dead, he has no interest in growth.”
With little evidence of true conversion in the local church, Elliff gave five recommendations for examining traditional methods of sharing the gospel.
First, the church must preach on the subject of the unregenerate church member, he said.
“Every author in the New Testament writes of the nature of deception. Some books give major consideration to the subject. Jesus himself spoke profusely about true and false conversion, giving significant attention to the fruit found in true believers,” he said, adding that the goal is for the deceived to find true conversion.
In examining the fruit of the Spirit that should be evident in a believer’s life, Elliff said some may take offense and leave the church. “But if they are truly regenerate, patient teaching and care will help them to overcome their doubts and gain biblical assurance.”
Second, pastors must address the issue of persistent sin in the lives of members through church discipline. “Each church should adopt guidelines that state just what will happen when a member falls into sin. Everyone in the church, including new members, should be made familiar with the biblical steps of church discipline.” Elliff said, adding that leaders might be required to enter the homes of erring church members to bring them to Christ or “to reluctantly release them to the world which they love more than Christ.”
“Nowhere in the Bible are we taught to keep non-believers on the rolls,” Elliff said, emphasizing a loving spirit should accompany church discipline. “… [L]oving church discipline is a careful process by which the obvious sinner in essence removes himself by his resistance to correction. The church is made up of repenting saints, not rebelling sinners.”
Third, churches should exercise more caution “on the front end of membership.” Elliff said biblical preaching itself is the most effective invitation for the gospel and church membership.
Elliff cites the example of C.H. Spurgeon, who led thousands to Christ without an altar call. “His message was his invitation,” Elliff explained. “We should always offer a verbal invitation in our gospel preaching, meaning we must invite people to repent and believe.”
Fourth, Elliff cautioned churches about readily giving verbal assurance to new believers or members who respond to the altar call. “It is the Holy Spirit’s job to give assurance,” he said. “We are to give the basis upon which assurance can be had, not the assurance itself.”
For those who might disagree, Elliff directed attention to the biblical principle found in 1 John 5:13. “What things were written so that they might know they have eternal life? Answer: The tests given in the book. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit testifies to our spirit that we are children of God.”
Fifth, sound doctrine must be restored through genuine revival. “The three great doctrines which have so often shown up in true revival are: 1) God’s sovereignty in salvation, 2) justification by grace through faith alone, and 3) regeneration with discernible fruit,” Elliff said. “Revival is God showing up, but the blessing of the presence of God is directly affected by our beliefs. God most often comes in the context of these and other great doctrines, preached penetratingly and faithfully, and with the unction of the Holy Spirit.”
While local churches must be on the front lines of the battle for unregenerate church members, Elliff also posed two challenges for the Southern Baptist Convention.
Elliff urged the denomination to face the facts by introducing preachers in convention settings more honestly.
“Try using this introduction: ‘Here is Brother ______, pastor of a church of 10,000 members, 6,400 of whom do not bother to come on a given Sunday morning, and 8,600 of whom do not come on Sunday evening. He is here to tell us about how to have a healthy, evangelistic church.’”
“It might be better to ask a man to speak who shepherds 100 members, all of whom attend with regularity and all of whom show signs of regeneration, a man who, in the last year, has baptized five people who stick—rather than a pastor of 10,000 members, 7,000 of whom do not come. The smaller, but more consistent numbers of the first pastor reveal a far more effective ministry and thus a far better example for other churches.”
Elliff also suggested that the SBC should form a study group to explore the issue of unconverted church members plaguing the convention.
“This group should also seek to re-examine the biblical mandate to have a regenerate church. Then this study group should report back with a strategy to help us out of the dilemma,” he said.
Unless Southern Baptists begin to measure ministry effectiveness by true conversions and healthy churches committed to biblical doctrine, Elliff fears the denomination will gradually become like other mainline, ineffectual denominations.
“Our only alternative is to carry on in the old way—the way that produces 70-90 percent fallout. By continuing on as we are, we will gradually blur, and eventually obscure altogether, any distinction between the professing and the authentic Christian,” Elliff said. “We are only one-third to one-tenth alive now. If we want to avoid complete deadness, we must take dramatic measures immediately. Like cotton candy, our apparent size does not add up to much.”
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Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/31/07 11:13:50 AM
Age 63, AZ
It seems to me there is another influence that nobody talks about. It is my understanding that there is a large number of Freemasons in the SBC. Freemasonry is a cult that blasphemes God and causes its members to take blood oaths that if they reveal the secrets, they agree to being murdered in the most graphic and sickening ways. There has been controversy over this in the past, and it has been to no avail. It is so bad that Freemasons even occupy the pulpits in some churches. Having studied Freemasonry thoroughly, I can tell you that this is spiritual suicide, for a denomination to tolerate people who have gotten involved in this pernicious group.
There is another factor, too, I think, and that is the refusal to baptize infants. If a child is not baptized, he has no way to receive the Holy Spirit until he is old enough to understand preaching. But in the meantime, the devil can have a field day in his life. Having established his ground, he can resist the preaching, and the child may well be lost to Christ. I realize that Baptists think infant baptism is wrong, but in all my years of asking what harm it can cause, I have never received an answer. And the Bible clearly tells us that when we are baptized, we receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus also told us to let little children come to Him. Before they can understand preaching, is it not true that failure to baptize means direct disobedience to this command of Christ? The deeper failure is the teaching that accepting Christ is a decision. In reality, God decides to bring us to the point where we can even make that decision, but failure to acknowledge this means decisions that have no meaning. Between that and the refusal to remove their children from the toxic public schools, it is surprising there is ANY life left in the denomination at all! Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 11/01/07 02:31:47 PM
Age 57, AR
Are you serious? What harm is it to baptize an infant? I hear all the time, how christians who were brought up in a liberal denomination, or were supposedly saved at a very early age, say they were not saved at all. And it's a given that babies don't know what the heck is going on, or why!!
I know this article is about the SBC, which Mr. Eliff delites in downing for some reason, but the freemasons are everywhere. But I still appreciate him very much. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 11/02/07 03:23:31 AM
Age 63, AZ
Yes, I am very much serious. Infant baptism is about the work of the Holy Spirit, NOT about how we mislead children who have been baptized, nor about what children understand at the time. I understand and agree with your concerns about children who believe they have been saved, because they grew up in a liberal denomination. But that is not synonymous with baptism in an orthodox denomination where they are taught the basis of our salvation. When people state that we have to make a decision, right there, we are not acknowledging the work of the Holy Spirit. Baptizing an infant certainly sets the matter in a stark way: our relationship to Christ is the result of the work of the Holy Spirit, NOT the result of anything WE can do, including making a "decision" which in reality God made FOR us from the foundation of the world. When we do not baptize the infant, he or she is vulnerable to the only influence open until the baby is old enough to understand preaching. The devil gets a foothold. There is a reason why Baptist denominations are having this kind of problem. So many of their young people are lost to the faith because the devil got a foothold in the first place. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/29/07 04:39:55 PM
Age 49, MT
The author may be correct as far as he goes. However, he seems to assume that everyone leaving the SBC churches are unregenerate or apostate. Could it be that lifeless, dry churches have outlived their usefulness? Who wants to listen to some fellow in the pulpit drone on for an hour, then sing a couple hymns that make no musical sense and are written in an indecipherable form of English? What has this stuff got to do with living a holy life and winning the lost to Christ? I'm not talking about being entertained. I'm talking about meeting people at their point of reference rather than trying to force people into an archaic church culture. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 10/31/07 07:40:39 AM
Age 57, AR
49 MT I think what you may be talking about is and "emergent church". No offense, but I don't want to water down the word and lower myself to the level I was at before I was saved. God raises you up to him. We come to him on his conditions, not ours. The songs they sing now in most churches are about US, not God. Listen to them and you'll see for yourself. They are made to stir up our emotions, not stir our hearts to come to the truth, just a release of emotions, thinking that's what God wants. How can you say you love God when you tear down the church?? Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 11/01/07 09:38:30 AM
Age 49, MT
No, I am not talking about the "emergent church". I did not suggest that the word be watered down or that you be lowered down. The Church (the Body of Christ) is called to reach the lost, not conform them to the SBC or any other denominational culture. You are right, we come to him on his conditions, not ours. But we do not come to Him on SBC conditions. It is not true that the songs sung in most churches are about us, not God. It some churches, maybe. But the point is, denominations tend to want to force new believers into their culture, their music, their style, none of which has anything to do with leading a holy life. If a denomination is dried up, it would be better off for it to call it quits. You said, "How can you say you love God when you tear down the church?" That is a dishonest thing to accuse me of. I did no such thing. The Church (the Body of Christ) is different than some denomination. When a denomination strays from its calling, follows its own agenda rather than God's, and thinks that its way of doing things is the same thing as the way God wants it done, then they deserve criticism and correction. That is NOT tearing down the church. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 11/01/07 03:24:10 PM
Age 57, AR
The SBC tends to try to conform every believer to their way of thinking and culture? What is that all about? Every church, whether it has a non-denominational sign over the door or not, has a doctrine. The SBC, along with many others, are known for their biblical enterpretation, as it should be. I wouldn't think a Christian would visit a church if they had no idea what their doctrine was. That's what it's all about, a belief system. Everyone has one, even you. If you want to be what I call a "generic" Christian, or go to what is called a "non-denominational/generic" church, that is what you believe, whatever!! But don't down a denomination because it has a stuctured belief system. Non-denominationalism is not a structured belief, it seems to be whatever you want it to be, which is not biblical. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 11/02/07 09:59:00 AM
Age 49, MT
Every denomination expects conformity with its culture and practice, apart from the doctrines we share. Don't you unerstand the difference between the true teachings of the faith and the culture of conformity that exists in denominations? Is it not clear that too many churches expect people to dress a certain way, act a certain way, and use a particular language, all of which has little to do with faith? Is this not apparent to you? Excuse me, you know nothing about my doctrine, my church, my life, or my faith, yet you are quick to label me as not biblical. Now I am offended. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/29/07 04:06:11 PM
Age 40, CA
Mathematical probabilities and group dynamics all dictate that in every group, there is, amazingly, an anticipated pattern
of percentages of personality types and character traits within the group.
Statistics was my worse subject but I did learn about the weirdness of how any group, that is randomly selected, will produce a constant pattern that is very reliable.
For example, three teachers at my school (I'm a teacher), all averaged between 73% and 75% as a mean score (all of their 325 students were included). Isn't 70 to 79% considered average in most grading systems?
The Bell Curve is also another anticipated outcome that I personally have observed in all of my classes.
I am also a preacher and evangelist who preaches the harsh truth without holding anything back, and have noticed that, roughly, ten percent of the congregation has a bright smile on their faces, while the other 90% have "stone him" written on theirs.
Can it be that "spiritual group dynamics" also apply to our local churches, and it is something that can't be avoided???
Who knows? I surely don't.
But one thing I do know is that Jesus said in the last days there will be many false teachers and wolves in sheep clothing amongst the true brethren. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/29/07 08:19:17 AM
Age 61, MO
The issue of false conversion comes up in this article. Making a commitment to Christ brings us through the straight gate, but their is also a narrow way that must be followed. The committment is not just a one time affair, but rather a continuous "perserverence of the saints." I would liken it to a worldly marriage where an initial commitment is made, then the marriage partners continue to work on building a stronger bond with each other. The frequency and way in which the saints are to gather together is not delineated in the Scriptures. The gathering should be out of genuine love of Christ and not because of some coercive tradition. The Southern Baptist Convention, like all religious bureaucracies, is destined to fall into obscurity. George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post
Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/29/07 06:16:08 AM
Age 45, PA
First, the church is designed to bring in the unbelievers and now you want to complain they occupy most of the seats in the institutional church. People make conversion for the kids a snap one, two, three now you're saved ordeal, now occupy that seat and you will be OK. Proud CEO Pastors use programs to bring in the unbeliever when the Bible says it's the enemy who sows the tares amoung the wheat. All the IC are a mess from top to bottom. I truley believe there are more real christians outside the walls of churches than inside. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Baptist writer: Unregenerate church members might spell R.I.P. for SBC
Posted On: 10/29/07 05:52:58 AM
Age 57, AR
Regarding the unregenerate, many are called, but few are chosen, Jim. I know you believe that. Their hearts are darkened and they cannot hear, nor understand the things of the spirit. When God comes, they run. They love darkness rather than light. We had a man sitting through the whole service last week, on the second row, reading a book called "the end of the faith". He made sure we saw it. He sat there with his legs crossed, taunting the Christians around him. We try so hard to be tolerant of those who look different, we often overlook their spiritual need. My thinking is, that we need to stop being so in lock step at church, and stop thinking that if we sing weird music, we are tossing out boring traditions of men. The traditions of men are, having the service timed right down to the minute, so as not to make people late for dinner. We need more spirit filled Christians. I wish for once, we could forego the singing until after the service, and after the call to salvation, and just preach the word. No announcements, nothing. I think the congregation would pay more attention to the word being preached, and there would be more people saved. Click here to reply to this post