Is there scientific evidence for a universe by intelligent design? Some people have a difficult time answering the question. In The New York Review of Books, Steven Weinberg (Professor of Physics, University of Texas at Austin and Winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics) contributed a piece titled: “A Designer Universe?” (October 1999). Weinberg had been invited to “comment on whether the universe showed signs of having been designed.” Instead of addressing the assigned subject, he immediately (and according to him, necessarily) shifted to a discussion about the nature of deity. He questions whether this designer would be “an idiot,” “a deity from traditional monotheistic religion,” or “a cosmic spirit of order and harmony.”
One possibility he flatly rejects is the existence of a benevolent creator. Weinberg drifts far from his assigned subject when he complains about the impossibility of a benevolent deity because of all the evil in the world.
In the end, Weinberg offers little serious consideration of the subject he was invited to address. He appeared unable to deal directly with the issue. His thinly veiled bias against theism and religion is finally unveiled at the conclusion of the article. In an incredible moment of arrogance, Weinberg suggested that, “One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment.”
Evidently, Weinberg numbers himself among the nonreligious, intelligent people who through the great achievements of science have been liberated from the notion that the universe is a product of intelligent design. Yet, if Weinberg is so intelligent, why doesn’t he address the question of design based on scientific evidence? Why does he resort to rambling ad hominem? Is it possible that Weinberg knows that the scientific evidence is not with him? That it builds a better case for intelligent design? Is he afraid to admit that on the question of the ultimate origin of the universe, the faith of naturalism has very little (if any) scientific evidence to support it?
Equally able scholars have been willing to honestly investigate the question of design. Owen Gingerich, professor of astronomy and the history of science at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge said, “there are so many wonderful details which, if they were changed only slightly, would make it impossible for us to be here, that one just has to feel, somehow, that there is a design in the universe and, therefore, a designer to have worked it out so magnificently.”
The famous astrophysicist, Sir Fred Hoyle, acknowledged that the choice is between “deliberate design” and “a monstrous sequence of accidents.” Theoretical physicist Pal Davies wrote, “The very fact that the universe is creative and that the laws have permitted complex structures to emerge and develop to the point of consciousness … is for me powerful evidence that there is ‘something going on’ behind it all. The impression of design is overwhelming.” Biochemist Michael Behe, wrote that four decades of intensive research into life at the molecular level has “sounded a loud, piercing cry for intelligent design” (Darwin’s Black Box).
Since the conclusion of intelligent design is well supported by scientific evidence and far more logically coherent than faith in naturalism, we should not be surprised by Weinberg’s inability to address the subject he was assigned.
It is encouraging to find that many highly respected scientist and philosophers are honest enough to consider intelligent design. These distinguished leaders recognize that the, Darwinian evolutionary theory has failed to solve the puzzle life’s origin and development. They acknowledge the extreme improbability that the high level of complexity found in most life forms could have resulted from chance occurrences.
The need on the academic level is, as Phillip Johnson indicates, “a separation of the philosophy from the real science, both in order to have an honest, unbiased scientific enterprise, and to protect the public from getting the false impression that scientific evidence has shown that the evolutionary process is our true creator.” Instead, the ancient text of Genesis, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1), fits the evidence for those who have an open mind to consider it.
Steve Cornell Senior pastor MillersvilleBibleChurch| Lancaster, Pennsylvania
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Actually, Steven Weinberg immediately addresses the “assigned” subject and THEN shifts the discussion to the failure of religious explanations for the universe and then tackles the “fine tuning” of the universe as evidence for a designer (the supposed fine tuning of the universe is considered by many to be evidence of a designer—so again, Weinberg is addressing the issue). I’ll quote the opening paragraph here: “I have been asked to comment on whether the universe shows signs of having been designed. I don't see how it's possible to talk about this without having at least some vague idea of what a designer would be like. Any possible universe could be explained as the work of some sort of designer. Even a universe that is completely chaotic, without any laws or regularities at all, could be supposed to have been designed by an idiot.” He is saying that ANY universe would appear to be designed. Your article however sidesteps all the topics discussed. For example, you have given absolutely no counter argument to the evidence of naturalism. You simply state that there is no good evidence for it. Says who? You quote some scientists who may or may not believe that there is an intelligent designer. But what exactly do they say? “One just has to FEEL, somehow, that there is a design in the universe” Owen Gingerich. (emphasis mine). It is true that when one looks at the world and the universe, it does feel designed; after all, we humans create and design things for different purposes all the time. It is then not surprising that we would look around and think and feel that we too are also designed and for some purpose. But those feelings do not make it so nor are they scientific. Indeed, “The impression of design is overwhelming”, as Pal Davies says, but again, that does not make it so. Finally we have a true believer, Michael Behe, whose notion of the irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellar motor was clearly put to bed by Dawkins and others. He is also the same guy who alleged in court that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system, despite contrary claims from 58 peer-reviewed publications and 9 books. He felt the evidence was not strong enough but was later forced to admit to not reading most of the publications. I haven’t read them either, but I’m not a scientist making great claims contrary to general scientific understanding—Michael Behe is. And your claims do nothing more than embarrassingly echo his—I mean, did you seriously read ALL of Wienberg’s article or did you stop when it got all technical? Click here to reply to this post
WHO IS STEVEN WEINBURG
Posted On: 10/03/07 12:42:14 PM
Age 63, OH
Most people have never heard of him. What laws of science has he discovered. he will be forgotten in a very short time after his death. If you are going to read the opinion of a scientists then read one that was really looking for truth. I have heard of Isaac Newton. Even though he was born in the 1600's. He was the topic of discussion in my physics classes and my calculus classes. He was also often talked about in my engineering classes. He discovered so many laws of physics that he is called the father of physics. He discovered calculus and was one of the greatest mathematicians that ever lived. He invented the reflecting telescope which all the large telescopes of today are of this design. We still use his formulas in physics, astronomy,engineering and many other places. But science was NOT the occupation of Isaac Newton. His occupation was studying and writing about the Bible. Isaac newton said anyone who thought the Bible was not true was ignorant about the Book and also a fool. if i was going to listen to a mere man then certainly Isaac Newton has far better credentials than some man that will be forgotten. You criticize Steve for his lack of knowledge in science and accuse him of writing about something that he does not know about. But you do what you accuse him of. Have you ever read the Bible or did you stop when it got all spiritual. Google Ivan Panin and you will see if you bother to study his work that the Bible has been proven to be the work of God Almighty by mathematical proof. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: WHO IS STEVEN WEINBURG
Posted On: 10/04/07 03:17:50 AM
Age 37, NY
Oh by the way. I have read the Bible, but even if I hadn't--I wasn't talking about it. So I can not be guilty of what you say that I'm accusing Steve Cornell of. And actually, I'm not blaming him for his lack of knowledge in science and accusing him of writing about something that he does not know about. I'm accusing him of misleading his readers (who may have not read Weinberg's article) about what the article actually states. If Mr. Cornell simply doesn't understand the English language, then I can forgive him. Otherwise, he is being intellectually dishonest and taking his reader's for fools. Click here to reply to this post
Re: WHO IS STEVEN WEINBeRG
Posted On: 10/04/07 02:59:29 AM
Age 37, NY
Newton was a smart dude--no doubt about that. Steven Weinberg, who won the Noble Prize in physics in 1979, is less likely to be forgotten than you or I and Ivan Panin. Most people are forgotten when all the people who knew them are dead. So again with Ivan Panin? We've been over this before. One could insert "The Three Little Pigs" or The Book of Mormon into Panin's formula and observe mathematical patterns. It doesn't mean anything in terms of proving that God Almighty wrote the Bible. Why do you keep on with that? Please try it with any book. You are basically saying that if God actually wrote the Bible and no one presented any mathematical proof, you would not believe it? I find that a strange and weak position coming from a Christian. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Intelligent Design–the laziest position
Posted On: 10/02/07 10:57:27 AM
Age 46, AR
I am not a proponent of ID because it misses the point. The truth is not that some vague, unknowable designer accounts for all of creation, the truth is that God accounts for creation, and He is knowable. So, my objection to ID is that it is unnecessarily agnostic. But your position is even worse than ID. Your position is that chaos stands back of everything. If true, there is no design. Also, there is no such things as proof, evidence, purpose, truth, natural law, etc... So, once again, you lack the courage of your convictions. You advocate total chaos and then turn right around and begin reasoning as if intelligence orders the universe. So, if you really believe what you claim, stop arguing and get on with your chaotic life. There is no purpose to arguing in your worldview because your worldview denies the reality of purpose. Click here to reply to this post
Intelligent Design–the laziest position
Posted On: 10/04/07 03:31:01 AM
Age 37, NY
Yes I agree, ID does miss the point. In a big way. You state that my position is that chaos stands back of everything. Could you clarify that a little. thanks. It is true that I don't believe there is design and intention in the universe, but how does this mean that I advocate total chaos. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Intelligent Design–the laziest position
Posted On: 10/11/07 11:53:05 AM
Age 45, AR
I understood your argument to be that design can be inferred from any possible universe, including one in which chaos is in back of everything. So, the inferrence of design settles nothing. I agree. But, you leave it at that. So, your final position is that it is just as likely, as far as we can tell, that chaos, not intelligence, is back of everything. I cannot accept this conclusion. Your conclusion is weaker, not stronger than the ID conclusion. You gratuitously try to bring natural law into the equation. But, you do so by special pleading. If your base argument is correct (and it is) then it attacks your naturalism just as effectively as it attacks ID. That is, one can infer natural law from a world where chaos is back of everything just as easily as one can infer natural law where order is back of everything. You have not given a solution, you have only identified the dilemma. Chaos is just as likely as order. Unless we can escape the subjectivism of inferrence, we can never speak of anything with true assurance. We can posture, we can be dogmatic, we can ridicule, yell, scream, and powerfully assert ourselves. Yet, we can never really know. A personal, absolute God who knows perfectly and speaks perfectly saves man from his epistemic crisis. And I know of no other savior. Thus, for me, faith continues to be the necessary foundation for science, knowledge, reason, and everything else. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 09/27/07 02:56:43 PM
Age 44, ENGLAND
Greetings, it is true that the universe is in many ways finely balanced ( Sir Martin Reeces' book " 6 Numbers" is worth a read on this subject)however this is not really evidence of design. Another way of viewig it is that it means that we can only exist in such a universe and therfore it appears designed but realy this is just an illusion, if any of these factors where not in our favour then we would not be here to comtemplate this question. One other point, if there is a god or gods who created the universe why the Christian one? maybe it is the muslim god or Thor or Jupiter, that seems just as reasonable?
Regards
Steve Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 10/03/07 12:12:22 PM
Age 63, OH
We speak of Who we know. We speak of The Book of which we have studied. You speak of what you do not know. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 10/04/07 09:10:40 AM
Age 44, ENGLAND
Hi, I'm curious, how do you know that I hav'nt studied the book just as you have? I would appreciate it if your reply did not run along the lines of "because your eyes where not opened and you don't think like us etc....". Kind regards, Steve Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 10/02/07 11:01:01 AM
Age 46, AR
You do realize, do you not, that once you introduce illusion into the universe, you create an epistemic crisis. If there is no God to set you straight, and nature fools you, how can you ever trust your thoughts? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 09/27/07 04:07:16 AM
Age 63, OH
If a person disregards faith and depends on just puny human reasoning alone; the evidence that God created the universe and that the Bible is His Book is simply overwhelming. Forget about there being other solar systems in our galaxy that have life; most all the branches of science has proven that life is impossible to take place on this earth without the intervention of a "very superior being". The entire universe is so finely tuned for life to take place on this little planet earth that life here proves that God does exist and HE IS. WHO IS STEVEN WEINBURG and what new laws of the universe has he discovered. Now ISAAC NEWTON I have heard of. Isaac discovered the calculus and so many laws of physics that he is called the father of physics. Science was not the occupation of Isaac Newton but studying the Bible and writing about the Bible was his occupation. Isaac Newton stated that it was God who led him to his discoveries. If i am going to consider the opinion of a mere man then i would choose Isaac Newton over Wienburg. No one knows of Weinburg even in his own times and years from now he will be forgotten. But 400 years after the passing of Newton he was the main name mentioned in my calculus class, my physics class, and even one of the big names in my engineering classes. Isaac newton said that anyone who said the Bible is not true is an uneducated fool. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 10/02/07 03:15:01 PM
Age 44, ENGLAND
You write "WHO IS STEVEN WEINBURG and what new laws of the universe has he discovered". Well for your infomation his contribution to understanding the laws of the universe is the combining of electrodynamics and the weak nuclear force in the electroweak force. So to answer you question fully, Steven Weinbrg is a brilliant physicist and that is the (new)law of the universe he discovered. Steve Click here to reply to this post
WEINBERG vs NEWTON
Posted On: 10/05/07 09:05:14 PM
Age 63, OH
My only point was if you are going to consider the opinion of a mere man that Newton is a much greater man. certainly you would not compare Weinberg to Newton as to scientific discoveries. newtons discoveries have stood the test of time and Weinberg's have not. Newton's discoveries dwarf the discoveries of Weinberg. If we want the opinion of a scientist then get the opinion of the greatest scientist that has ever lived, Isaac Newton. Newton said that every word of the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and was true. He said that any man who thought the Bible was not true was uneducated and a fool. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: WEINBERG vs NEWTON
Posted On: 10/12/07 08:19:02 AM
Age 44, ENGLAND
I am both of those things then, this is the price I pay for believing that my opinion can count as well and that I don't have to only believe what a person said in the past. Steve Click here to reply to this post
NEWTON AND WEINBURG
Posted On: 10/04/07 07:43:39 AM
Age 63, OH
I am aware of the discoveries of Weinberg. Weinberg's discoveries pale in comparison to Newton's. If one is going to consider the opinions of mere men then at least consider the opinions of the top men in their field. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: NEWTON AND WEINBURG
Posted On: 10/12/07 08:22:15 AM
Age 44, ENGLAND
I've taken up your offer but can't seem to find what"the greatest scientist who ever lived" (sorry Einstein) had to say about the electro weak theory, can you help me, thanks, Steve Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 10/02/07 01:05:18 PM
Age 44, ENGLAND
Hi, put simply, the argument you place here is the one from authority, if Isaac Newton said it then it must be true. Isaac Newton himself was a deist (check the numerous biographies) who could not bring himself to believe in the trinity because it did not make sense. Can I take it that (in the light of your argument from authority) as you hold him in such high regard you too take his view? Regards, Steve Click here to reply to this post
ISAAC NEWTON WAS NOT A DEIST
Posted On: 10/05/07 08:56:58 PM
Age 63, OH
I have read many biographies about Isaac Newton but I do not go on what others say about him but look for what he said himself about what he believed. The opinion of someone who does not even understand the Bible of what Isaac Newton believed carries little weight. Isaac should have a much better understanding about what he believed than they. Isaac said he believed every word of the Bible was inspired by God Almighty. That is NOT a deist. I can not find anyplace where Isaac said that Jesus was not God. He refused to join the church of England because he thought it corrupt and had a lot of false doctrine. That was when people got burnt at the stake for such things. Isaac did not like the word Trinity because it was not in the Bible. I do not like the word trinity for the same reason. But I think the Athanasian Creed is one of the clearest statements of the nature of God that I have ever read. I would not have used the word Trinity or the word person in the statement. But the Athanasian creed makes it very clear that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not only equal but ONE. Lou Click here to reply to this post
ISAAC NEWTON BELIEVED THE BIBLE WAS TRUE
Posted On: 10/04/07 08:08:23 AM
Age 63, OH
Isaac newton was NOT a deist. I have read most of the biographies on him. The key here is biography and not autobiography. I look for what Newton said himself and not what someone said about him. Isaac Newton believed the Bible was true word for word and was inspired by the Holy Spirit. He would not join the church of England because he thought it corrupt and it had many beliefs that were NOT according to the Bible. Can you find anywhere that Isaac Newton is quoted as saying that Jesus Christ is not God. I have not found where he has said this and would not want to accuse a dead man of something that he did not say. However if Newton did say such, then he was wrong and I believe the Bible and not him. I believe the Athanasian Creed is a very good summary of what the Bible says about the nature of God. But I find that what most people view as the Trinity now does not agree with the Trinity doctrine that they claim true. I believe the Father, Son , and the Holy Spirit are God Almighty. But I believe the Bible when it says in Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government IS upon his shoulder,and He shall call His Name, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." - I do not use the word Trinity because the Bible does not use the word but says God is ONE. The Athanasian Creed itself says very clearly that God is NOT THREE IN ONE BUT HE IS ONE. Lou Click here to reply to this post
Re: Intelligent Design–the intelligent position
Posted On: 09/26/07 05:39:34 PM
Age 56, OR
It is sad that so many 'intelligent' morons are aginst the Science of Creative Intelligence when it comes to the design of all that is, seen and unseen. I would NOT want to be in their shoes when they face the Almighty at the end of time! Misleading 'education' of our children leads to untold adversity, anguish and death later on in life. The whole miasma of Humanism is embraced by the refusal to see God's Authority and leadership in LIFE. As Huxley admitted, we quickly grasped Darwinian ideas to justify our loose morality. Hence, evolutionary principles oppose Intelligent Godly and Supernatural principles purly due to selfishness and immorality. Not science at all! PGW Click here to reply to this post