Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted: 08/28/2007
Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution? By Brannon Howse
The same federal government that has outlawed a pastor or priest from offering an invocation or a benediction at a high school graduation ceremony now wants to use them to usher in martial law.
In a television news report about this new government program, a pastor can be seen and heard declaring his willingness to assist in taking away your 2nd Amendment right to defend your family by misquoting Romans 13. (Click here to view the news report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIDNQNsUss ). By the way, will these same pastors agree to stop preaching and teaching against homosexuality if the government says that it is hate speech? I think the answer is yes!
Be careful when reading this article and don’t assume I am saying more than I am. This article is about one thing; that pastors should not be working with the federal government to deprive you of your right to defend your family and certainly not when there is civil unrest. Look at Katrina in New Orleans. Most of the police left the city themselves. Some of the police that remained were seen and even filmed stealing from the stores. While gangs are out in full force with stolen guns are law abiding citizens suppose to give up their guns and “trust” the government to protect them? I am so tired of feminized; milk-toast pastors that don’t know history, the Bible and that civil government does not always trump church government. America needs more pastors like Dietrich Bonhoeffer who opposed Hitler and less that are like Mr. Rogers.
Many of my friends who are pastors don’t even need to read this article because they could have written this article. However, if you have a Pastor Rogers that lives in your neighborhood and he has a warped interpretation of Romans 13, then pass this article onto him and discourage him from signing up to be part of the government’s efforts to trash the U.S. Constitution and deprive you of the right to protect your family and private property when you need that right the most; during massive civil unrest.
As America becomes increasingly secular, and the judiciary takes away more and more of our religious liberties, Christians need to become acquainted with the Biblical response to tyranny and to understand the proper time, place, and type of civil disobedience allowed by God. Unfortunately, many American pastors believe God condemns all civil disobedience, and others believe it is so rarely permissible as to be a non-option. I even know people who believe Corrie Ten Boomsinned by hiding Jews in her home during the Nazi occupation of Europe!
Many of America’s pastors believe Christians are always to comply with the wishes of the government. This false teaching comes largely from an incorrect view of Romans 13. In Moral Dilemmas, Kerby Anderson does a great job of describing the most common misinterpretation of Romans 13:
Some critics argue that civil disobedience is prohibited by the clear admonition in Romans 13:1, “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is not authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God” (NASB). Yet even this passage seems to provide a possible argument for disobeying a government that has exceeded its authority. The verses following these speak of the government’s role and function. The ruler is to be a “servant of God,” and government should reward good and punish evil. Government that fails to do so is outside God’s mandated authority and function. Government is not autonomous; it has delegated authority from God. It is to restrain evil and punish wrongdoers. When it does violate God’s delegated role and refuses to reward good and punish evil, it has not proper authority. The apostle Paul called for believers to “be subject” to government, but he did not instruct them to “obey” every command of government. When government issues an unjust or unbiblical injunction, Christians have a higher authority. One can be “subject” to the authority of the state but still refuse to “obey” a specific law which is contrary to biblical standards.[1]
Similarly, Francis Schaeffer warned, “One either confesses that God is the final authority, or one confesses that Caesar is Lord.” We will serve God or serve man, but we cannot serve both. We obey government officials except when those authorities supportcivil laws that violate the laws of God. First Peter 2:13-14 also makes it clear that God’s plan for civil government is to punish evildoers and to protect and praise those who do right: “Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.”
Kerby Anderson describes the significance of “Lex Rex,” a great historical piece written on the subject of civil authority:
The best articulation of these biblical principles can be found in Samuel Rutherford’s essay “Lex Rex.” Arguing that governmental law was founded on the law of God, he rejected the seventeenth-century idea of the “divine right of kings.” The king was not the ultimate authority, God’s law was (hence the title Lex Rex, “The law is king”). If the king and the government disobeyed the law, then they were to be disobeyed. He argued that all men; including the king were under God’s law and not above it. According to Rutherford the civil magistrate was a “fiduciary figure” who held his authority in trust for the people. If that trust was violated, the people had a political basis for resistance. Not surprisingly “Lex Rex” was banned in England and Scotland because it was seen as treasonous and fomenting political rebellion.[2]
While we can hope never to have to disobey the laws of our communities and country in order to walk in good conscience with God, there is no guarantee that we’ll never be called to civil disobedience. Knowing where you stand from a Biblical viewpoint, though, is the first step in being prepared to do what God requires.
When civil government steps outside of God’s ordained purpose and persecutes righteous people, promotes evil, and does injustice to the innocent, the moral authority of the civil government has been lost, and Christians are free to disobey. As we just said, disobedience to government may be required in the process of opposing evil, promoting righteousness, defending the weak, and providing for the safety of one’s family.
While God allows governments to come into being, that does not mean God approves of every government. To draw an analogy: God allowed the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, but God did not approve of them. If, for example, the people of Cuba are sick and tired of the killings, beatings, and imprisonments dispensed by the government of their country, they are Biblically justified in overthrowing Castro (who has clearly not fulfilled the God-given purpose of civil government).
Scripture calls rulers “ministers of God.” The description “ministers” shows clearly how important the responsibility of a civic leader actually is. Since Scripture calls these people “ministers,” it stands to reason that God would call Christians into this occupation just as He calls some people into the ministry of being a full-time pastor.
Christians in Germany should not have shown “honor” to Hitler. The Bible says we are to give honor to those who are due honor, and Hitler did not deserve any such thing. He was not a “minister of God” and was not a legitimate government official because he violated the God-ordained purpose for civil government.
While God allowed Hitler to come to power, He did not approve of him. I do not believe God would hold it against German pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer for assisting in the assassination attempt on Hitler. Pastor Bonhoeffer understood Romans 13 correctly and understood the Biblical mandate to defend the defenseless and to oppose evil. He also understood the Biblical right of self-defense.
We live in a fallen world where man has a free will to do good or evil. While it is true that the church often flourishes during times of extreme persecution, this happens largely because of the civil disobedience of Christians who worship underground, smuggle Bibles, and distribute Scripture contrary to the laws governing them.Some governments are so evil, corrupt, and ungodly, Christians are obliged not to support them because to do so would be to participate in what they do.
According to Christ, the government according should work in harmony with the church (Matthew 22:21), and when it does, God approves of the government in power. Understand, though, that church government is not inevitably superceded by civil government. Many people in the Bible took part in civil disobedience:
• When Pharaoh commanded the Hebrew midwives to kill all male Hebrew babies, Moses’ mother lied to Pharaoh and did not carry out his command (Exodus. 1-2);
• When Nebuchadnezzar ordered Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to bow down to his golden image, they refused and were cast into a fiery furnace (Daniel 3);
• Daniel prayed to God in spite of the king’s dictate to the contrary (Daniel 6);
• In Acts, when Peter and John were commanded not to preach the gospel, their response was, “We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29).[3]
We should do the same and that includes the Biblical mandate to protect your family.
[1] Kerby Anderson, Moral Dilemmas (Nashville: Word Publishing, 1998), p. 221.
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Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 09/10/07 11:54:12 AM
Age 64, GA
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I do not think law abiding citizens are to be left to the mercy of criminals either in society or in the government. That is not the way I interpret the Bible or believe that it’s God’s will for us. It’s appalling to me that any Pastor would put his church congregation in jeopardy. The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and it’s not the law-abiding citizens we worry about; it’s the criminals. The criminals are going to be armed whether there’s a law or not.
Also I believe all the anti-firearms laws that are being proposed by many politicians are in violation or the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Regards,
Bob Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 09/08/07 10:44:41 AM
Age 51, WV
I agree with the article. I am no Bible scholar, but have noticed two things about Romans 13 and its applicability which support the article.
Both have to do with the definition of "government".
The first is that, at the time when the book was written, government was imposed from outside, and individuals had no part in it nor influence over it. Today, in this country, in theory, WE are the government. So our own consciences, responsible exclusively and directly to God, are now on the same level as "the government"
Second, the passage of Scripture goes on to describe,or in effect, to define Government. Government IS that which rewards good and punishes evil.
If an institution does not reward good and punish evil, then it is not a [biblically defined] government at all, and deserves neither respect nor obedience Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/31/07 10:01:02 PM
Age 83, WA
Pastors who agree to violate the US Constitution are not literate in the history of Germany in 1932.
The religious institutions did not respond to the methods of the Nazi party and therefore lost control of the government. The Weimar republic had a constitution based on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
There was not a Moral Majority to warn all citizens. Jerry Falwell was later mirrored by Dietrick Bonehoffer, Hans Lillja, Martin Neomueller, but by then the noose that killed the freedom of expression was tight and strangled free speech. Further, the Pastors have not learned the lesson of Purple Finger Day in Iraq. These people were willing to die to vote and speak freely. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/29/07 09:30:38 AM
Age 60, KS
How can I best say....AMEN! AMEN! AND AMEN! Our nation is in deep trouble and the rights we have guarded for so long are in jeapardy. The broadcast and in many cases, the print media are no longer reporting the facts on the government but are instead spreading propaganda.
If there wasn't civil disobedience, we wouldn't have the U.S.A. We'd still be under British rule. If it weren't for civil disobedience, we'd probably have fought on in Vietnam, killing thousands more or our troops. If it weren't for civil disobedience, the African-Americans would have no civil rights and women wouldn't have the right to vote. I wonder why we even learn history when we forget it so readily.
Anyway, thanks for letting Christians know that its ok to disagree with a government that isn't acting on their and especially God's behalf. You might let a couple of the 24 hour so called news channels know this too.
Who was it that said "I have met the enemy and he is us?" Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/29/07 04:57:17 AM
Age 55, KY
There are a great number of pastors and priests harboring illegal aliens and promoting rebellion against the immigration laws of the United States. They are using Scripture about being kind to the "alien" to do their lawless deeds and violate Rom. 13 and I Peter 2:13, oblivious to good and just principles of immigration law that protect our population. This is teaching the illegal aliens that God supports their rebellious ways, which He does not! Only when the law forbids the preaching of the gospel, as was the case with the Jews forbidding the apostles to preach, did the apostles disobey such a command to obey the higher law of Christ. And even in this, they submitted to the authority of those who punished them and never promoted rebellion among the people.
In our nation we have more rights and responsibilities as citizens than many nations. We have the ability to affect change in the laws. We should be very careful to not promote rebellion to authority, but carefully explain those few exceptions when we must disobey. But even in those cases we are subject to the penalties of the law, wrong though they may be. Such is the price to obey God rather than men and greater the reward in heaven. I am dismayed that such a potentially dangerous subject is treated carelessly by some. Wesley, Luther, Bunyan, Hus, Peter, Paul, and our Lord Jesus all lived in times where governments had some very evil laws, but did not teach rebellion ever. They disobeyed the laws in certain cases knowing they could be punished and even executed, but were willing to lay down their lives for Christ. How many of the pastors in our generation are willing to suffer for the Lord Jesus should their obedience to God place them in that position? How many lay people for that matter? Obedience to Christ should be the focus of the issue. If we cannot obey the Lord by submitting to the governments rule, than we must disobey, but be willing to suffer the consequence, even if it is unjust. Such was the example of our Savior and his apostles.
We have the added responsibility to work to change our laws when they are bad, only within the framework of the law. Surely there could come a time when Americans would need to overthrow a tyrannical government, but let us beware that such a time has not come and should it come due to our laziness and disobedience to God's Spirit, failing to get involved in the affairs of our country, then we should be crying, "Repent!" to Christians, before supporting them in rebellion. Would it not be more profitable to cry out today, "Repent, and return to the Lord! Take up your cross and follow Him who died for you. Be willing to suffer for His name now among a rebellious and gainsaying generation before your inattention and carelessness brings the judgment of God down upon us!" Doug Roy Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/29/07 12:59:16 AM
Age 61, IN
The United States exists today because a group of Christian men refused to "bow down to Caesar and wrote the Declaration of Independence at the risk of their very lives because the King refused to listen to the legitimate grievances of the people.
Our nation is doing that today. As the Director of Shattered Men, I have written to dozens upon dozens of Senators, Congressman and state legislators only to be ignored or sent a letter to thank me for supporting the Violence Against Women Act...a law written by the National Organization of Women. This act encourages women to file false accusations of abuse and it rewards women for doing so. No one is allowed to question the validity of these reports. It does not offer any protection for HALF the victims of domestic abuse...MEN. As a result, more women are harmed in the long run but our children suffer the most as our homes are being destroyed at a faster and faster rate. The VAWA is the MOST DAMAGING law ever written for our families. It is not only Congress that turns a deaf ear to this....our Christian ministries do also as I have been ignored when I show unbiased research to this destruction of our families
Each one reading this is also...one false accusation away from having his life destroyed. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 08/31/07 08:50:57 PM
Age 19, OH
Instead of slinging unfounded assertions, why don't you provide evidence for your claims? Where is the statistic that proves that men form half of the abused population? And, who came up with that statistic? Was it an independent organization or one with a clear bias?
Domestic abuse is extremely serious. It is rampant in Christian and secular homes alike. http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/
I urge to visit this link to learn the actual facts of abuse. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/28/07 08:22:33 PM
Age 51, SD
Ever since Lucifer rebelled against the Godhead eons ago, there has always been a conspiracy in the works. For he not only became the "father of lies", but also the "father of conspiracies". In relation to the above article, this overt act of the government strong-arming pastors to subdue their flocks via Scripture is just another conspiracy of the larger conspiracy to destroy the true Church of Jesus Christ.
It's all too easy to take Scripture out of context and get a warped perspective of what is being said/taught, unless one is well-versed/studied/balanced. When Lucifer/Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, Satan used just enough Scripture to present valid-sounding "temptations", but with wrong/damning conclusions. Jesus - well versed/studied/balanced in Scripture - fought back with Scripture, but with correct/saving conclusions. Our Founding Forefathers were generally well-versed/studied/balanced in Scripture, which shows in how they established the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights - one of those Rights of which is the Second Amendment! - the right of self/national defense against a government run amok! which is what we have NOW in this nation - while yet claiming to be a "Christian" government!
The government and their lackeys (including like-minded pastors/priests/rabbis) can mandate Romans 13 all they want unto incorrect/harmful conclusions, but there are many other verses/chapters of Scripture that can be stood upon unto correct/rightful conclusions and unto the Salvation of this Christian Republic, even if only a Remnant is left afterwards to carry on the Dream of Liberty.
It was never God's perfect sovereign will for Lucifer to rebel and become Satan. Nor is it His perfect sovereign will for the United States to fall as Rome did. (It is not His will that ANY should perish.) Whereas Rome was birthed from pagan origins, our nation was birthed from Godly/Christian origins. How much more will we "Christians" answer unto our Holy God for the allowed destruction of our Nation if we just sit idly by and adopt the attitude of "what will be will be" or "it's prophesy and you can't change it". As it was prophesied that he who sins shall die, yet God - yes, God! - provided a "way of escape" from this sealed-dictum via the death and resurrection of His Son. The United States DOES NOT HAVE TO FALL! But are we "Christians" willing to make the sacrifices necessary to prevent such a fall?
Washington spent more time on his knees (before God) than he spent on his horse (in battle). He lost more battles than he won. Yet the battles that he did win turned the tide. Will we humble ourselves as Washington did? to preserve our Nation, as Washington did to form it? Get on your knees now and empty yourselves before the Almighty! Seek His Wisdom and the Spirit's Quickening. And then prepare for battle!
Revelation 19:11-16. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/31/07 08:55:56 PM
Age 19, OH
I assume that you are aware that George Washington was a Freemason, not a Christian. In light of that knowledge, please provide the quotes that prove that George Washington spent so much time in prayer. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/28/07 06:45:57 PM
Age 19, CA
I think the issue is murkier than you are trying to make it. Look at the example of David, when his men were encouraging him to kill Saul and take over Israel. After all, Samuel had appointed him as the next king. However, David never attacked Saul. He never carried banners and picket signs around Saul's house, practicing civil disobedience. Even when Saul attempted to kill him multiple times (1 Sam. 19), all David did was flee. He didn't try to overthrow Saul; in fact, the Amalekite who claimed to David that he killed Saul was killed for daring to lay a hand on the Lord's anointed (2 Sam. 1:1-16). As David makes clear over and over again, it was not his decision to decide when Saul would die or be removed from power. The decision lies with God alone. If the United States is indeed deserting the laws of God, the same things that happened to Babylon, Greece, and Rome will happen to our country. However, it is not our job to force the issue and to force people into following God's laws. If (and only if) people love God, they will keep His commandments. So our primary goal, then, is to show God's love to others so that they will love Him, too. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 08/29/07 09:56:29 AM
Age 37, GA
God Bless you! Love is always our banner. But it's not love to simply remain silent when something is wrong. We are in a country that thrives on opinion. I disagree with using the King David example. His respect was for the King's Anointing. He never violated God's laws or moral truths in submission to King Saul. When it became obvious that his life was at stake, he hid himself to avoid touching "God's Anointed".
What would we have the Christians in China do? Should they obey and discontinue witnessing through their underground movement and let millions of people suffer an eternal fate? I know none of us want that. Neither should we be silent in our country and just go along with the wishes of our fellows that have not yet received Jesus as Lord. We must speak the truth which is what brings true freedom. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 08/28/07 07:31:27 PM
Age 61, MO
This article and those related to it are not advocating any violent overthrow of government. The issue is one of defending oneself against oppression of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, when there is an eminent threat by this government of that happening. The threat is even deepened when the government trys to coerce the Christian leaders to assuage their flocks. Any Christian who is in the face of eminent danger, and who would not make some effort to avert the disaster; could be found guilty of tempting the Lord thy God. George Cancilla Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/28/07 06:45:41 PM
Age 37, GA
I agree. In my opinion, the phrase "...we have no king but Ceasar." comes to mind when I think about these pastors that would choose governmental authority over Godly and/or moral authority. That phrase, in itself was spoken in opposition to our Lord Jesus. Since Jesus is Lord, His Word is our Law. Are we ordained to serve the government as pastors and ministers of the Gospel? Is it not our purpose to be shepherding the flock? Is it wise to take the horn from a ram? We should always pursue harmony with the government when possible but not at the expense of opposing Godly and/or moral truths. The Protestant Church came through opposition to authority. Men like Martin Luther did what was right in the sight of God and so should we. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Why Are Pastors Agreeing To Violate The U.S. Constitution?
Posted On: 08/28/07 06:31:24 PM
Age 38, VA
Praise God for Worldveiw Weekend and the 'army' of writers like Brandon and Chuck Baldwin amongst others who are not afraid to tell the truth about politics and government...
I agree whole heartedly w/ Brandon...I've had to 'oppose' local governments on several occations for trying to violate my God given and 1st ammendment right to free speech....trying to preach the Gosple in the streets....
It's incouraging to know I'm not the only one taking a stand for righteousness...
Nathan Click here to reply to this post
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