Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment Barry Rubin July 22, 2007
The Iraq war is one of modern history's most difficult, controversial issues. There is no ideal solution but, as is so typical of our current era, the passions aroused make it difficult to discuss the problem rationally.
In the West, there are two main viewpoints on the war. Defenders of continuing the leading U.S. role argue that the battle is going better than the media reports and that an American withdrawal would have dire consequences. U.S. credibility would plummet; radical Islamists and terrorists would claim it as a victory. They warn that a U.S. withdrawal might precipitate a bloodbath, an Iranian takeover of Iraq, or an al-Qaida victory there.
Critics state that the war is unwinnable and that continuing it strains U.S. resources better used elsewhere, inflicting needless casualties, and undermining both U.S. credibility and deterrence power. There is a division among the critics between liberals who fear the war damages U.S. national interests and radicals who would like to see America defeated.
Some say the war encourages heightened terrorism; others that it is battering terrorist forces. There are those who argue that continued American presence can bring democracy to Iraq and those who believe this is an impossible challenge. It can be said that the U.S. role protects innocent Iraqis or that it exposes them to death and destruction.
Clearly, this debate is not going to be settled by either clever arguments or clear facts. Rather, this dispute is enveloped by bitter partisan hatreds that I think exceed those of the Vietnam War era.
There are many examples showing that way the war is debated blocks an understanding of the problem. A lot of the specific debating points cut both ways. For example, it can be argued that the insurgents want the United States to withdraw so they can claim victory but by the same token they need the American enemy there to justify their own terrorism against Iraqis.
Or it can be claimed that a U.S. withdrawal would reduce American credibility but it can be equally pointed out that a continuing presence so ties down the United States that Iran, Syria, and other enemies don't have to take its threats seriously. It is true that the U.S. forces are killing terrorists but it is also true that the idea that the fighting is a Jihad against foreign invaders is recruiting terrorists. The strategy of a surge in troop levels can win battles but by the same token it cannot win the war.
The advocates of the war are wrong in saying the United States can achieve victory in the existing framework but the critics are wrong in saying the United States can lose. The United States role in the fighting preserves the current government but it also prevents it from standing on its own feet, for only when the Baghdad regime has to fight and win the war itself will it truly mobilize its forces for doing so.
This kind of paradox can be presented for twenty different points regarding the war. And if the U.S. political scene and public opinion was willing to continue the war for five years as it is being conducted today, at the end of that period the situation would be roughly the same as it is now.
What is needed is a U.S. shift in strategy that includes withdrawing most of the troops, minimizing a combat role, turning over the fighting to Iraqi forces, and using the remaining soldiers for training and logistics. Such a strategy would involve neither surrender nor status quo; not a humiliating withdrawal or a useless continuation of the status quo.
A regime which has strong support from 80 percent of a population--the Shia and Kurds--that is well-armed and ready to fight is not going to be overturned by bands of insurgents. Yet only when the Iraqi government has to defend itself or perish will it be forced to fight successfully for itself.
What is the potential downside of this strategy? Let's deal with it frankly.
If most U.S. forces withdraw does this mean America lost? No. The United States has already won two wars: by defeating Saddam, and by establishing and sustaining a democratically elected government. This is a sufficient achievement. This third, tougher and longer war must be fought by the Iraqis themselves. Only by trying to accomplish too much has the United States been setting itself up for defeat.
Will turning over conduct of the war to Iraq's regime bring inter-communal bloodshed? Yes. But it is already happening. Whether we like it or not, the only way to end it is if Iraq's government uses methods far nastier than anyone in the West would do.
Would a U.S. turnover of the war bring an insurgent victory? No. Any insurgents who survive the majority's revenge will be very lucky.
Couldn't the Sunni and Shia agree to end the conflict with U.S. diplomatic help? No. Even if Sunni leaders want to the radicals would murder them. The only hope for peace is if the Iraqi majority crushes the insurgency. Could the Iraqi regime break apart in a Shia civil war and a state run largely by militias? Yes. But the Shia are likely to stick together at least until they win the civil war.
Would Iraq become an Iranian satellite? No. Iraqi nationalism, even in Shia guise, is the greatest protection against Iranian control.
The United States cannot make over Iraq or"save" the country. America can help Iraq's regime to survive and aid it to ensure that bin Ladin or Iran doesn't take over. But continuing current policy--pretending the United States can win a victory or that American soldiers have to fight more years until the Iraqis are"ready"--is a huge mistake. And ironically, insisting on maintaining the current strategy only makes it more likely that a new American leadership will come along and order a quick and complete withdrawal which is equally costly.
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Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/26/07 07:29:31 AM
Age 51, MO
Great posts here ! We cannot "defeat" terrorism. We never have been able to unless we have a completely controlled society like the old USSR. Until 911 the greatest act of terror in the U.S. was Oklahoma City, commited by a white Christain. Should we kill all white Christains, or control all "their" churches and writings ?
How many Muslims do we kill until they behave to our standards, 1,000,000 1,000,000,000. The battle of ideas is won by having better ideas, not buy having more military power. I don't recall Christ saying might makes right. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 07:05:55 PM
Age 60, IL
Barry, to do what you suggest... TODAY... would be a total and an absolute blunder. They are just not ready. Period. But one year from now... not just do you have my blessings, but also my full support. In fact... I would then demand and insist that they stand on their own. In Him, scott. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/27/07 10:16:39 AM
Age 47, CA
Tim Mc Veigh was not a Christian. Not even close. He never even claimed to be Christian but even if he did make such a claim, he was not. A Christian is no one who claims to be one but one who obeys the will of Christ. Christ never commanded anyone to rebel against the government. Even when Nero was persecuting the church, Christians were commanded to obey those in authority and warned :Anyone who rebels against government rebels against what God has established."
"Christian terrorist" is an oxymoron. At best you can say "Terrorist who claims to be Christian" Ones actions, not ones claim is what makes one follower of Christ. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/26/07 01:26:11 PM
Age 47, CA
After 5 years, another year will not make a difference. This puppet government we set up will not stand. The fact that we have to stay there in order to prop it up is proof of that. You can quote all the polls you want but the simple fact is that more people are willing to die against our puppet than for it. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 06:32:30 PM
Age 60, MO
The United States as a political and governmental entity has no business in interfering with the sovereign nation of Iraq--nor for any other sovereign nation of the world. PERIOD. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 05:54:31 PM
Age 52, ID
Mr. Rubin makes a good argument. Only Iraqis can claim victory. It is not our (USA) victory to claim.
I would add to his prescription. Move our troops to the borders. Blockade the borders with Syria and Iran and any other borders that allows insurgent support. Maintain a limited presence at the major interior bases to allow for a quick redeployment if needed.
When IEDs are only killing Iraqis, the Iraqi people will stand up and fight for their future.
After we have had our military protecting the Iraq border, they will have the experience to protect our own borders. We will need to continue protecting our borders as the American people stand up against further porous borders. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 12:51:29 PM
Age 65, WA
I believe even though our government is running from God, We are still under his control and everything that happens is for a reason. It has been that way all through the bible .
In the book of Revelation God tells us about Babylon as being the center of the Antichrist and the world government.
Would Babylon Have been rebuilt in Sadaam's regime? God works in mysterious ways.
Our world has the same opportunity to read the Bible and they are still doing all things that are prophesied in the Bible.
We have a congress trying to outlaw the bible. That is more of a concern for me then any war. This is also a sign of the times to come. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 11:44:46 AM
Age 65, WA
Barry is right. The bible says men do not learn from history..scripture also tells us the god of this world rules all governments. it also tells us not to learn the way of the heathen. do not critize our leader, but to expose them and that HE will too. In and out of the church. This war was planned, as all other wars ! Why ? to weaken the nations so US can dictate. If we were serious about terror, we would have closed the borders, deported illegals as we are not the titanic sinking into a third world country..Poor..Why. because the evil wants a one world gov with no borders to rule us all. Proverbs 22:7 tells us the rich will rule the poor..who reads G-d 's word and even knows how ??? not many. Love thy neighbor !!, YES, suport the evil against us. NO. aid and appease the evil ones NO. pray for them, YES. looks like the church is in great apostasy, even to their own demise. and even think they replaced Israel, which is future. Listen to Isa..I will stand on the Mt of Olive, bring up the DEAD, give them a new heart, take away their sin, and ALL Israel will be saved !! they are His firstborn,go read Hosea..where the sinful wife is taken back, it is a picture of Israel. and why be signed up under the cults..in unity..what unity ? they believe the moon god is our G-d, but the bible tells us NO WAY..or how about I have to go to purgatory for some sins and then will go to heaven and stand at the right hand side of the father, pray to me !! John Paul 2 just before he died..You all best do your homework, the world histroy, religions, and mostly the bible ,,or you will continue to follow the "other Jesus" that Paul warned of..YOu name it and clain it preachers are wolves, and suporting Israel's enemies..you might rememeber the L-rd said, how he is going to destroy who ?? All those nations will go against HIS people the Jews..and HE is a Jew too folks..Ezekiel 3--38..taking the promises to Israel, throwing back the ones you don't like ? taking on Sunday as the first Pope Constitine who changed the Sabbath to sun. turn back..let the HS lead.. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 07:45:01 AM
Age 26, NC
I agree with the war. It seems to me that after 911 that everyone in America wanted those responsible to be brought to justice. However, after all these years it still is not a reality. Muslims were at war with us before 911 and they are at war with us today. If you read the Quran, good muslims are terrotists and bad muslims are the ones who seek to live in peace with the infidel. Whether in Iraq or at home, Islam is going to fight Christianity (the west as they see it). And how do we respond to this complete hatred of our country, our way of living, and our God? We decide to put a muslim up to run our country!?! We need to stop riding the fence. Islam is of Satan and there can be no peace as long as we seek to appease them.
By the way, Islam is my enemy, so instead of blowing myself up in a muslim elementary school, I am going next year to live with them and share the love of Jesus Christ, the One True Savior with them. That's how I am going to fight the war. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Iraq Policy Requires Withdrawal Plus Redeployment
Posted On: 07/25/07 05:58:50 AM
Age 47, GA
We always hear "the truth" about all of our "enemies" but has anyone bothered to "tell the truth" about the United States and its foreign policy at least since George the First? (G.H.W.B.)
The United States was doomed to fail in Iraq. We invaded a sovereign nation without justifiable cause and based of fabricated "false intelligence." That is just the beginning.
Why does no one address the fact that Osama bin Laden is an active CIA operative?
I guess we see and hear what we choose to see and hear. Click here to reply to this post
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