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| Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians |
Posted: 05/22/2007
Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
I have been a Christian since I was nineteen years old. I remember the day I received Jesus into my heart. It was an amazing revelation that changed my life completely. Before I became a Christian I was hostile against Christianity. I am a Jew and had always believed that Christians were my enemies. I thought that Christians persecuted my people and the two furthest things from my mind were 1) to become a Christian 2) to be a Christian minister. Over time I began to wonder why I hated Christians so much and looked into Christian teaching as well as other religious teachings. I began to realize that Jesus did not teach what I had experienced and heard about “Christians”. I could see that many people who said they were Christians simply were not and had misrepresented the truth of Jesus’ and the Apostles teachings. A person can say that they represent anyone or anything but that does not make them true representatives. Jesus was a Jew himself and therefore I could not understand why so called Christians seemed to hate Jews. As I opened my heart and turned from my own hatred and I began to see that Jesus did not teach his true followers to hate Jews but rather the bible says:
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” - Romans 1:16
I thank God for opening my eyes and dealing with my bitterness so I could see the truth. It is often the way of man to look through the glasses of his own hurts and misunderstanding. As a Christian I step back and think as I seek the Lord’s direction and His word for guidance on issues. It is important not to be ruled by emotions but rather to examine a position and see if it makes sense in the context of biblical truth, logic and history. Liberals always use emotions and often lie, use personal attacks, and swear at people that they do not agree with.
Another major revelation to me was the fact that before I became a Christian I hated biblical teachings also because they were not in agreement with my immorality. This of course is the case with everyone who hates God’s word. Before I was a Christian I remember being at a gas station and a man came up to me and handed me a small booklet about Jesus. He was not mean or threatening in any way but my rage consumed me. I remember people I was with holding me back as my eyes filled with contempt for this nice man who simply gave me a booklet that I could either read of throw away. After that incident I wondered why I was so angry. The answer was simple. I did not want anyone or anything that would tell me what to do or not do. I certainly did not want to be told that my behavior was immoral in any way. The name “Jesus” is a powerful one that provoked me to human wrath. The bible says when speaking of Jesus”
“Unto you therefore who believe he is precious: but unto them who are disobedient, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is made the head of the corner, And, A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense (emphasis mine), even to them who stumble at the word, being disobedient: to which also they were appointed.” -1 Peter 2:7-8
This is the problem with all unbelievers, but with the rabid purposeful anti-Christian liberals it is this stumbling that brings out their vitriolic hatred of true Christians. Liberals on the other hand love liberal so called “Christians” who take no stand on God’s word and twist Jesus’ teaching into “Jesus accepts any behavior and belief”. The liberals love that because it validates their anything goes relativist moral positions (well anything goes except being a true bible believing Christian that is).
Why do the liberals hate us? One reason is because we have the audacity to proclaim openly that there are absolute truths. The only “absolute truth” that liberals seem to believe is that bible believing Christians are the purveyors of the worst plague of destruction the universe has ever encountered. They call us “haters” when in truth it is they who hate us. They have an interesting definition of hate. There definition is the following. If you disagree with our position and morality (or should I say lack thereof) it is not because you have a different view that could possibly make sense (not that liberals are concerned with what makes sense), it is simply because you hate us. Now what they do not understand is that a difference in world view is not automatically hate. The reason we speak out against things like sexual immorality is because we know from the bible that it leads to many social problems. And guess what people….no one in their right mind can say that the rampant sexual immorality since the 1960’s has not led to major social problems like single mothers, breakdown in family relationships, increased drug use, sexually transmitted diseases, and an increase in people taking drugs just to try and cope with all the emotional pain that immorality has caused. There is perhaps no greater contrast concerning an ability to be a blessing or a curse than that of sexuality. It is God who invented this most powerful form of intimacy. Within the confines of the Creators purpose for it, there is no superior form of human communion. The contrast is not so, for sexuality that is outside of God’s purpose, there is only emotional, spiritual, and often physical ruin. So powerful is the passion, it often blinds of the consequences that are so clearly seen in our so called “liberated” society.
Does this mean that Christians are not tempted? Does it mean that Christians are perfect? No it does not mean that. It means that Christians understand that sin is destructive to individuals and society. To pretend that sexual immorality is no big deal is not being intellectually honest. Sin is not simply an action of disobedience pertaining to a single evil deed. It is much more than that. Sin is a condition that every person is born in to. It is the disposition that believers and unbelievers alike are tainted by. The difference between the believer and the unbeliever is a matter of spiritual legal standing, not a matter of personal perfection one over the other. The believer simply has been pardoned of the eternal penalty of sin by the act of Christ on the cross. It is the imputation of the perfection of Christ that changes the believer in to a position of innocent spiritual legal standing. It is the unbeliever who is sadly left in the mire of his own sinful legal position before God due to his incredulous rejection of the pardon provided by Christ to those who receive him personally.
Liberals will not admit the failure of their philosophy because to do so would be a vindication of what Preachers have been warning of for 40 years.
There is never a mention of the wonderful works done by true Christians around the world. The liberals look as hard as they can to find something to make their case against Christians. Any wrong thing said or scandal that may happen in a Christian Leaders life, and liberals, like sharks who smell blood encircle with great delight as they justify their own immorality by pronouncing the failure of a Christian. Once they pounce like rabid dogs they then translate that that into discrediting the message of the bible. That is not logical. For example, if a person says it is wrong to be a racist and then it is discovered that person is himself a racist does that make the truth that he proclaimed not true?
Christians are feeding the hungry, and bringing needed medical help to the poor. In our own country we see compassionate outpouring of aid for Katrina victims that came from Christian churches and organizations. This is a fact but liberals will not acknowledge the great work done by true caring Christians. I remember one of the radio interviews I did where a caller berated me for not caring about the poor. The show was about illegal aliens from Mexico and this caller made vast charges against me. He said I was a hater and a person who did not care about poor Mexicans who live in that poverty in Mexico. When I finally had a chance to respond to his tirade I asked him a question. I asked if he had ever gone to Mexico and brought money clothes or food to the poor Mexican people that he so cared about. He said he had not. I then told him that I have. That was a point he ignored and went on to the next attack.
Another reason why liberals hate Christians is simply because liberals do not understand the gospel. They think that we are saying that human moral perfection is what we demand from people. Let me make this clear to those of you who are liberal and reading this. The teachings of Jesus and His Apostles never proclaim our ability as humans to live in perfection. In fact the bible teaches us the following:
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” -1 John 1:8-10
The message of Christ was and is that all people are sinners and that we do not have the ability to live in total perfection ourselves. You see if we were perfect we would not have need of the Savior. Jesus saves us by paying the price for our sin and freeing us from being condemned to separation from him for eternity. My point is that liberals think wrong about our position. When we speak out against immorality we are not saying that we are perfect. We are saying that immorality is immorality and all people including Christians are guilty of failing to be perfect. It is the position that liberals take that immorality is somehow not immoral that is the problem. Christians understand and acknowledge their own need for the Savior and so it is not us who are self righteous. We are the ones who have humbled ourselves and realized that we are not personally righteous. It is the very act of receiving Jesus as our personal Savior that speaks of our willingness to admit our own sinful nature as humans. If you do not think that you need the Savior what you are saying is that you are righteous in yourself and therefore you are self righteous. The following are the ten reasons why liberals hate Christians:
1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.
2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.
3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their “feelings” then they are with what is right for others.
4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.
5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.
6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.
7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.
8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.
9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.
10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses:
“But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” - 1 Corinthians 2:14
Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that confesses the Son has the Father also. -1 John 2:22-23
I have no desire to purposely offend those of you who are liberals who may be reading this. I know however that it is impossible to speak the biblical truth and not offend you. You need Jesus just as I do and my hope is that someone reading this will understand their need as I did 24 years ago. I pray you open your heart and understand that the bible is comprised of wisdom that originates beyond this world. It is filled with instances of God given righteousness in addition to showing the futility of human wisdom. No text has been of superior influence in the direction of prosperity of spirit, soul, and body. With all that being true, it is only a blessing to those who humble themselves under its central proclamation of Jesus Christ as Lord. To all who reject its central message the bible will become a irritation in the end. For all that stand in reliance on self shall be judged by the biblical standard of moral perfection, and shall fail miserably. This realization will haunt their minds as they grasp their misjudgment and rejection of the way, the truth, and the life contained in it. Rather than lashing out with the same old swearing and personal attacks, open your heart to The Jesus of the bible, call on him to save you and he will.
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you have no idea
| Posted On: 10/24/08 06:40:57 PM |
Age 27, ENGLAND |
The reason liberals (any atheist) hate christianity is because it's foundations are flawed and its followers are blind to logic
1) The omnipotent god cannot exist. To be omnipotent he must have the power to give up all power; therefore gods power can be limited and by definiton he is not omnipotent. Paradoxically if he doesn't have the power to do this, then he never was omnipotent in the first place
2) The only way god can be all knowing is if he is bound by fate, without fate he cannot be certain of the future. If he is bound by fate then he cannot have free will.
3) If free will exists in heaven, and evil is a product of free will then in heaven it is possible to do evil. the only way to eliminate evil in heaven is to eliminate free will.
4) The more complicated something is, the less likely it is to occur naturally. God must be the most complicated occurance in the universe, therefore is also the least likely to occur. In short God has the highest probablility of not existing out of all the things that could possibly exist. If god is not the most complicated thing in the universe, there must be something outside his comprehension.
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Why Liberals Hate Christians.
| Posted On: 04/28/08 02:44:21 PM |
Age 42, MA |
I don't believe liberals hate Christians but are deeply offended by "Christian" behavior and exclusivity. That is a person is hard pressed to find a Christian group that accepts all people regardless of race, religion, sex, or creed. This is because Christianity is a religion that falls into the Literal-Mythic category. It is a tribal mentality. Christians feel a sense of belonging and being part of the "in" group. Christians do not realize how their unconscious behavior is oppressive to non Christians. Their attempts to hijack politics in America, the way they demonize and label people like this article is doing in labeling progressives as "liberals", the fear shame an d idiocy that they project...its all based upon their weak personalities that must rely on a mythical savior god for forgiveness and other universal human values. On top of it...most Christians are uneducated. This is evidence that they believe their relative mythic-literal viewpoint is the absolute truth when it is in fact misguided, ignorant, and not supported by historical facts. The people that crashed the planes into the twin towers on 9/11 had a similar mindset. Such a mindset is dangerous and is a cancer and crime against humanity. Your god is too small folks.
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- This is the Crux of the matter
| Posted On: 10/03/08 06:56:57 AM | | Age 45, TX |
The problem in your assertion is that we must first define what "inclusiveness" means. Let me give you an analogy. A man has a deadly but curable disease. He goes to a hospital where they tell him his disease is highly contagious and he needs to be treated before they can let him back into the community. The man becomes angry and says, "Those doctors and that community is so intolerant of me, how dare they discriminate! I should be allowed to be a part of them!"
If you mean that Christians are not "inclusive" to people who do not need or want a doctor (see Matthew 9:12), then no, Christians can not help those people. But if you mean anyone who admits they need God, or is even curious about God, then of course true Christians do not discriminate on the basis of sex, national origin or religion. The Bible says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, NASB)
Furthermore, it appears to me that most of the world thinks that man is basically "good" or "pretty good" or maybe even with some work, "rehabilitative." We think more education, more therapy, more government, more books, more police, more .... (fill in blank) will solve our problems. Do not misunderstand, I am not against such action at all, however, if we are honest with ourselves, none of these actions have really solved anything. They just tend to be band-aids on a more fundamental problem.
That problem is that man is not basically good, he is basically evil. The truth is that man is incapable and unqualified to change his basic nature. Humankind has a total inability to do good and rescue it's own self from it's bent towards evil. Left to his/her own design, we more times than not, make the wrong choice.
Dr. John R.W. Stott, the reknowned Anglican preacher in England expressed this idea very well when he stated:
"Many of the happenings of civilized society would not exist if it were not for human sin. A promise is not enough, we need a contract; doors are not enough, we have to lock and bolt them; the payment of fares is not enough, we have to be issued with tickets which are punched, inspected and collected. Law and order are not enough, we need the police to enforce them. All these things and many others to which we have grown accustomed, that we have taken them for granted are due to our sin. We can not trust each other; we need protection from one another; it is a sorry state of affairs."
The fact is that there ARE moral absolutes but most liberals live in a world of moral relativism. When confronted with the truth of our evil, most tend to ignore the information, justify their own behavior or condemn the messenger. Just because imperfect Christians bring the truth of moral absolutes, does not make the message untrue.
You personally, may think you are pretty good and do not need anything but your own common sense and strong will to get you by in this world. Maybe it all makes sense to you now and you have it all figured out. And I would guess you certainly would not admit you "need" anybody or anything- that would be too "weak."
However, until life humbles you and brings you to your knees, you will never understand the Gospel of Grace to the sinner who cries out for help. Until you know your failed attempts at meaning and purpose and inability to really deal with your own hopes, failures and fears, for you my friend, we can not offer you anything and God can not help you.
We all need a Savior to save us from ourselves whether you realize this now or later.
Most liberals think the problem is the wrong type of/not enough program(s), narrow attitude, not enough "tolerance"- and the solution is government. Christians know the problem is sin, our rebellion towards God, making our own desires our own god- and we admit we desperately need Jesus.
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Feb. 06 age 28 Colorado. Liberal Christian
| Posted On: 02/07/08 03:42:35 PM |
Age 52, FL |
I cant believe he read your entire column. He just made your point!
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YOU are dividing America
| Posted On: 02/06/08 12:54:51 PM |
Age 28, CO |
I am a quote "liberal" and I love Christ. So there.
My problem is when people uses their beliefs as justification for action eg war etc. God gave us all free-will and our own brains to use for His good.
This hate of "left vs. right" or "right vs left" is what is tearing us apart as a nation and I'm sure God isn't all that pleased about it either.
Believe in what you want and stop picking fights.
Peace and love,
B
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Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/14/07 12:33:42 AM |
Age 37, NY |
To 45, AR. I get what you’re saying. But by no means do I think that all Christians are bad. If fact they do a lot of really great things. The essays on this site are constantly bashing Rick Warren, but he is doing so much to help fight AIDS and poverty. Yes, I'm down with the liberal Christians—Jim Wallis and the like. But unfortunately their moderate stance gives validation to people like Jan Markel or Osama bin Laden even. Yes, currently Muslim fundamentalists are by far worse than their Christian counterparts, but this is because of the side of history the west has found itself on. Things were not always like this and can always turn the other way. Sure, atheist kill people by they don't kill in the name of atheism, Stalin didn't kill because he didn't believe there was a god, he killed because he believed so strongly in his vision of communism and his ego. Same with Hitler, he killed because he hated Jews and loved Nazism. A Christian or a Muslim will kill if they feel god is calling them to do so. This is a very scary thought. Bush said that god told him to attack Iraq--how many dead now? 65000 plus. Who is doing more harm in the name of god? Suicide bombers or Bush? Whether god told him to do this or not is beside the point. The point is our society respects religious belief to the point one can say destructive things like this with immunity. Had he said that he attacked Iraq because Yoda told him to, he would be impeached already. It is clear to me that all religions are man made so any motivating reason for doing something is ultimately cultivated by human concepts—Christianity, Democracy, whatever. But Christianity is a human concept that speaks as if it were god. This sets it apart from other flavors of ice cream and can be dangerous in the wrong hands. Though different, Hitler—also a human, spoke and acted as if he were a god. There are many destructive ideas out there. Without religions there would be just that many less excuses for war. Take a look at the Israeli occupation; if religion were taken out of the equation, there would be a possible sensible solution in sight. With it, there is none. This type of situation is spreading across the globe. This is why I detest religion. Otherwise I could care less.
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- Re: Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/14/07 07:14:18 PM | | Age 45, AR |
You identify legitimate and serious problems. What I do not understand is your solution of "detest all religions, especially Christianity". Seems to me that when Christians act badly, the solution should be for them to act more Christ like, not less Christ like. I do not understand how acting less like Jesus is suppose to remedy the problems of the world. I especially do not understand how thinking and acting like atheists is suppose to solve the problems of the world. After all, if there is no God, all things are permissable. This strikes me as being the root of the problem, not the solution.
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- Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/19/07 07:43:02 PM | | Age 37, NY |
Whether god exists or not, all things are permissible. Should people be more Christ-like? I guess that would depend on what "Christ-like" is. In general, Christians have such a bad track record at it and atheists are just as likely to be as Christ-like as the Christians who are. So what is is point of distinction? You are just as likely to see a atheist volunteering in a soup kitchen or giving malaria shots in Africa as you would a Christian, but those killing waging war today tend to have a very special belief in god that you will not find in the atheist.
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- Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/21/07 01:39:52 AM | | Age 45, AR |
If all things are permissible then your complaints against Christianity are irrational. Caught you. Again.
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- Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/22/07 01:09:53 PM | | Age 37, NY |
What one desires for a happy, healthy life is different than from what is permissible. Why can't you get that?
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- Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/26/07 12:39:30 PM | | Age 45, AR |
I didn't get it because that is not what you said. If God does not exist, all things are permissible was my argument. Your response was that all things are permissible. Therefore, everything Christians do, say, and think is permissible. If it is permitted, there can be no moral complaint against it. Yet you complain. Your complaints are irrational. Caught.
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- Re: Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/27/07 06:45:12 AM | | Age 37, NY |
What one desires for a happy, healthy life is different than from what is permissible. We’ve been over this issue before and you still don’t get it. Stealing is permissible but everyone believes that, individually and collectively, life is healthier and more desirable when people don’t steal from each other. We prohibit people from stealing but it is permissible in the sense that we are free autonomous beings. It is not irrational to “lobby” for a more a happier and healthy situation in life. Not caught.
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- Re: Re: Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 06/28/07 09:31:19 PM | | Age 45, AR |
You guys really believe this kind of stuff, don't you? If everyone agreed that stealing was contrary to health and happiness, then no one would steal. That is the problem. What makes some people healthy and happy is to deprive others of their health and happiness. And according to you, this is permitted. A legitimate exercise of autonomy. Scary, aren't you.
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- Christians
| Posted On: 07/04/07 01:18:34 AM | | Age 37, NY |
yep, You keep missing the point
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- Re: Christians
| Posted On: 07/05/07 06:04:41 PM | | Age 45, AR |
Maybe it makes me healthy and happy to miss your point. Hmmm.
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Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/25/07 08:08:50 AM |
Age 53, NC |
It is NOT liberals versus Christians but Christians versus unbelievers. The word liberal is so abused it should NEVER be used in this context.
- If I am a Christian who nontheless believes in "socialist" programs, have I lost my salvation?
- If I am a Christian who believes in global warming are in concerned about the environment, have I lost my salvation?
I know some secular conservative who do not believe in absolute truth and are not Christians. I could go on, but again the point is that liberal has been misused .. horribly.. Conservatives are not necessarily Christians nor always more biblical. Liberals are not necessarily unbelievers or necessarily less biblical.
By the way, I am really fairly conservative but really dislike the abuse of terms.
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- Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/25/07 04:54:15 PM | | Age 45, AR |
Tim Keller has said that the liberals of Jesus' day considered him to be a dangerous conservative whereas the conservatives of Jesus' day considered him to be a dangerous liberal. That sounds about right to me.
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- Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/25/07 01:42:33 PM | | Age 47, CA |
Lets go over this can we? First, let it be known that THE LORD GOD is not a mascot for ANY political party or any human institution. ALL have sinned! ALL fall short of God's glory. There are only those who are saved by Grace and those who have refusd his offer of a pardon. The Conservatives, with thier current gospel of bombs & bullets while time and time again getting exposed commiting the same imorality they claim to be against shows that they are no closer to God than any other human institution.
Social programs: When boiled down to it's essence, our social programs have become a human attempt to make the world safe to sin. We have welfare programs to feed the children concieved from sexual imorality and clinics to kill the unwanted babies. Now, thgese programs teach kids to spit in thier parents face when parents try to enforce sexual purity. Here in the Central valley, a girl whi killed her mother for grounding her and not allowing her to see her boyfriend is being defended as a justifiable shooting.
Global warming: Sending fourth eco nazis to machine gun anybody they consider a polluter is not the answer and this is where these treaties are leading. Furthermore, it has become a tool of economic sabotage where one nation is ignored while another is regulated to death.
One time I followed an "Eco warrior" back to his car, opened his hood, and proceeded to beat him over the head with his own filhy air cleaner, whip him with his own collapsed PCV hose, and choke him with his own deffective ignition wires. As a smog check mechanic, I can tell you that the odds of a car failing smog check are proportional to the # of eco nazi decals on the vehicle. They are quick to point fingers at others while they themselves drive gross poluting bombs to their demonstrations. Al Gore himself has a $30,000 a month energy bill for his own mansion. Another case of "Woe untoi you Scribes & Pharasees! Hypocrits!"?
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- Re: Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/26/07 09:32:12 AM | | Age 59, IL |
Age 47, CA... I admire your passion. But the conservative gospel of bombs and bullets - my goodness. Please, my friend. This is not so much about politics per se, but a ltttle more about some Christians putting their so-called ideology before their theology. Brannon Howse is right about this. When too many of the policies and the basic ideas of the left, especialy the far left, wind up hurting the very people they are intended to help... that is NOT Biblical nor what God has in mind. It IS Biblical, however, that ANYONE can tell who the false prophets are simply by their fruits. And yes, there is a Biblical world view. So for any Christian that chooses to lean left... just remember, that this is the idelogy of envy and resentment created by those who are openly rebelling against the God of the Universe, His will, and His purposes. In Him, scott.
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- Re: Re: Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/27/07 10:22:13 PM | | Age 47, CA |
When this war began, too many churches called upon the President to continue the war into the entire Middle East and "Purge the region of that stench called Islam"
Dobson himself allowed neocon radio talk show host Sean Hennedy to appear on his program and proclaim "God has blessed this nation with the most powerfull military that has ever existed and if we don't use it to liberate the world into democracy, God will judge us!" Another sermon called for Bush not to stop until our "Christian Army" has brough the flag of America and Cross of Christ to every corner of the Earth. Yes, gospel of bombs & bullets. All the while we have more and more evangelical leaders, Christian singers, and right wing talk show hosts proving to be the same drug addicted, adulterous, homesexuals their counterparts on the left are. The right is just as evil as the left.
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- Re: Re: Re: Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/29/07 09:40:27 AM | | Age 59, IL |
I'm sorry, but your passion seems more like anger. I pray that its only righteous indignation, and not something that borders on hatred. And you paint with a really broad brush. Dobson and Hannity talk, some churches deliver a sermon... and you imply that these people speak for me, or for the whole Right. But they're only someone's opinions... just like yours, AND mine. And both the Left and the Right are evil? Wow. But if you're totally anti war, did you know that freedom is not free... and has never been? It IS sad, but we're a fallen people in a fallen world. And if you're just against this war, are you one of those people who thinks that if we just go home... that everything will be well, that we'll all be safe? How I wish it was so. I also wish I knew who you were, my friend... so I could pray for you by name and try to help you find peace. In Him, scott.
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- Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/31/07 03:05:08 PM | | Age 47, CA |
It is you who appear full of anger and haterd. Bombe them! Kill them, until they submit to our ways? Freedom? What freedom?
Can you open your Bible and show me where this pilitical freedom to advocate bombing, invading and killing for is even spoken of?
The freedom Christ offeres cannot be taken away by anu human, it is freedom from sin, not the political freedom the right espouses. The freedom you advocate invading other nations for id warned of by Peter:
"Promising freedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity".
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- Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Liberals vs Unbelievers
| Posted On: 05/31/07 03:00:40 PM | | Age 47, CA |
Being a 26 year veteran, I am hardly agaisnt war in general. I did refuse to do a 27th year due to thois war being wrong.
Can you please show me how the millions of men dressed like Larwence of Arabia can come over here and force us all to bow towards Mecca? The truth is that our own abortion clinics kill more of our babies, or own street gangs shoot more of us, our own drug dealers poison more of us, and our own sexual imorality infects more of us than any so called terrorists guns, bombs, chemical weapons,or biological weapons. It is YOUR assertaion that if onlt we kick in enough doors, slam enough people to the ground and hog tie them, that they will give up, adopt ou opostate ways where grace is an excuse to go on sinning, and everythinbg will be ok. WE are the invaders and THEY are not doing anything to us over there that I wouldn't be doing to them if they were over here. WE are the invaders, we deserve whatever they do to us as long as we are occupying them.
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Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 05/24/07 04:10:02 PM |
Age 26, TX |
Oh my, there's so much wrong with this article I'm not sure where to begin, but I'll try. First, Rev. Berman's experience of "rage" at the man giving him the leaflet is not common to people confronted this way. Most non-Christians would take the leaflet and either read it, or throw it away. Blind rage and fury is not a part of the exchange for a rational, well-balanced human being. There is this tendency for some Christians to imagine themselves beset on all sides by furious liberals who want to destroy them, and that is simply not true. Most debates I have ever seen are conducted in the spirit of mutual respect and appreciation. The second problem is this definition of liberals. It seems that "liberal" here is defined as "non-Christian" and conservative, I suppose, would be Christian. This sounds more like American politics than religion, and that's a little disturbing. Why not just say "10 reasons why non-Christians hate Christians?" This would be more accurate, and would seem less like trying to inject politics into the Word of God. I know it's a worn out idea to say that "Jesus was a liberal" but it should be remarked that the Pharisees and the Sadducees of the time were the conservatives. Jesus came to bring a new way. Politically, then, he would have been a liberal. But not, I suppose, if the word "liberal" was redefined to mean, "non-Christian" I guess the final thing I want to discuss is this idea that Rev. Berman has the objective truth. I am not saying that there isn't an objective truth found in the Word of God, but I am always suspicious of those who claim to have it. The infallible Word has been translatd by many fallible men to mean many different things. That is why even among fundamentalists, there is disagreement. See Billy Graham and Rev. Criswell on segregation, on heaven and hell, and a host of other things. The Word may be infallible, but Berman definitely is not, and therefore, what he believes to be objective truth, is at least open for debate. As to the hypocrite question posed in the article, "isn't racism just as bad," this does not take into account that if someone is the leader of a church that espouses sexual immorality, while practicing it themselves, this casts aspersions on their motives, which in turn allows people to question the nature of their teachings. it is too simplistic to say "isn't racism still bad?" because what we want to know is "what was THIS racist's brand of anti-racism? why did he teach that way? how does this anti-racism differ from, say, Rev. Martin Luther King's teachings?" You see, the hypocrisy of the speaker casts aspersion on the speaker's specific thought process, and their teachings. The problem is, when that speaker's particular brand of fundamentalism is my own, because justified doubt is placed on my own way of believing.
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Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 05/24/07 03:53:42 PM |
Age 59, CANADA |
Given that he writes at length about the hate that liberals feel, there seems to be an aspect of the pot calling the kettle black. It's hard to know where to start; however, let me quote the author: "Now what [liberals] do not understand is that a difference in world view is not automatically hate." I don't think the author understands this either. The author would probably consider me a 'liberal Christian' (although it's not a term that I use). I don't hate conservative Christians, and I certainly don't hate a conservative or orthodox approach to Christian theology. Even if we limit our perspective to the major denominations; Baptist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, UCC, Methodist ... whatever. There are subtle, and not so subtle differences, but in all cases there are centuries of Christian theology, of prayer and worship, and of service to God and to our fellow men. I don't believe any single denomination gets it right; God is bigger than we can imagine. A little more humility on the part of the author would go a long way.
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Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 05/24/07 11:59:49 AM |
Age 59, IL |
David is basically right. And that's going to anger quite a few, including many Christians who lean left. But remember this, there really is a Biblical world view... and it absolutely does NOT align with our cultural world view. I would encourage many to pray that the Good Lord will search your hearts, and show you His truth, and His wisdom. In fact, all of us need to be on bended knee. Because all of us, especially us Christians, are a rebellious lot... and He knows it. And keep this in mind - that "NONE" of this is about either me or ANY of the posters being right. It is about Him being right. Alawys. And only true humulity and submitting to His will... will get ANY one of us there. Knowing false prophets is never about what they say, or even about what they do... it is always about the fruits. In Him, scott.
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Re: Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians
| Posted On: 05/24/07 10:43:03 AM |
Age 62, NY |
Your wasting your time arguing with all of the negative replies to this article. Romans 1:28, Amplified Bible. And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or condider Him worth knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome. Matthew 10:14 and whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city , shake off the dust of your feet.
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