Posted: 05/04/2007
Are American Pastors Headed For Prison? By Janet Folger
I've already told you about how H.R. 1592 will destroy equal justice (setting up a victim hierarchy), set up a Gay Gestapo with unlimited funds and send grandma to jail for sharing her faith on the public sidewalk, as happened in Philadelphia. But what you may not know is how this bill scheduled for a vote in the House this week will come after pastors and all those who disagree with the homosexual agenda out loud. H.R. 1592 the so-called "hate crimes" bill isn't about hate. It isn't about "crimes" (there are already stiff penalties against crimes); it's about speech.
Forget theory. Let me give you a real-world example. Here's a question: Which is worse? Actions or words? Robbing someone or calling him a mean name? Which one deserves the greater penalty?
Before you answer, let's say the name was really mean, like being called "Four-eyes!" I played on the public school playground, used to wear glasses and have been victimized personally by such horrific verbal assaults. They hurt my feelings. And there ought to be stiff penalties for something like that. Stiff like 23 years behind bars? I don't think so. But the state of New Hampshire does.
I know what you're thinking. Can't be. We can't criminalize name calling. The public schools would be empty – with everyone behind bars until their 30s. Oh, I left something out. The mean name in New Hampshire isn't "Four-eyes," targeting the visually impaired; it isn't "Fatso," shamelessly targeting the lovers of cheesecake. The only people protected from mean names with a 23-year jail sentence are … homosexuals.
Robbing someone outside a convenience store is a Class-B felony in New Hampshire, which typically carries a sentence of three and a half to seven years in state prison along with a $4,000 fine. But according to Assistant County Attorney Roger Chadwick, if convicted of a "hate crime" (shouting an anti-homosexual name), the sentence becomes "enhanced" by 23-26 1/2 years – turning a three-year sentence into a 30-year sentence.
Oh, and it's not a hypothetical. According to the New Hampshire Union Leader, John Guimond, 23, faced those charges. He was charged with stealing a cell phone from a homosexual man, 24, and his underage "male partner" (a statutory rape violation), after approaching them in a parking lot.
Stealing is a bad thing to do. But keep in mind, no weapon was used, no injury sustained. Just that mean name – something far, far worse. Think about it for a minute. If saying a mean anti-homosexual word adds an additional 23-26 ½ years to a sentence, and people live to around 80, that penalty is one-fourth of your life for the words you say. And while this was in addition to a robbery penalty, how much of a jump would it really be to penalize the speech "infraction" alone? And just what constitutes an "anti-gay epithet"? Would an "anti-gay epithet" be to say, "Homosexuality is a sin," or "Homosexuals should repent"? What if you informed someone that "Homosexuality is harmful to your health"? If I were you, I wouldn't try it in New Hampshire.
So, if speech turns a three-year sentence into a 30-year sentence for a state "hate crime" violation, just what might H.R. 1592 do on the federal level? As Rep. (and former Judge) Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, pointed out on the House Judiciary Subcommittee, if passed, H.R. 1592 is going to put pastors in prison. Pointing to Title 18 of the US Criminal Code, Section 2 (a):
(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal. –18 USC Sec. 2
Pastor? Have you ever counseled from a biblical perspective or read from Roman 1? I Corinthians 6? Genesis 19? Leviticus 18 or 20? Then, if H.R. 1592 becomes law and someone who has attended your church, read your materials or heard your broadcast commits a crime – such as pushing away a cross-dresser's unwelcome advances – you are "punishable as a principal," as someone who "counsels" and "induces" the now-illegal belief that homosexual behavior is a sin.
Think this is a stretch? Think again. In 1998, I oversaw the national "Truth in Love" campaign, which expressed hope for change for those struggling in homosexuality – something for which I was accused of murder. Here's a sample of one of the full-page "Truth-in-Love" campaign ads that caused all the commotion. One ad pictured 850 ex-homosexuals with the headline, "We're standing for the truth that homosexuals can change." Brace yourself for "hateful," "bigoted" and "intolerant" speech said to be responsible for murder. (Note: If you're under 18, you may want to ask your parents before reading it.):
We believe every human being is precious to God and is entitled to respect. But when we see great suffering among homosexuals, it's an inherent Christian calling to show compassion and concern.
Wow. With words like "precious," "respect," "compassion" and "concern," you can understand why the city of San Francisco would be prompted to accuse us of murder:
It's not an exaggeration to say that there's a direct correlation between these acts of discrimination, like Matthew Shepard, such as when gays and lesbians are called sinful, and when major religious organizations say they can change if they try, and the horrible crimes committed against gays and lesbians.
– City of San Francisco Board of Supervisors, Oct. 19, 1998.
We now have a governmental body on record connecting speech and violence. It's not even violent speech. They are saying that the hopeful message that homosexuals can change is responsible for murder. That, my friend, is why the hate-crimes legislation is the most dangerous legislation in the country. It will lead to silencing our speech just as the city of San Francisco tried to do.
Or you can use your "right to remain silent." But the House vote on H.R. 1592 is scheduled this week. Use it much longer, and those are the words you'll hear before you're put in the jail cell next to grandma for the "hate crime" of sharing the Gospel.
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Pastors have been co-opted by the Gov.. Always looking forward to some unforgivable intrusion, they stew like a frog in heating water, never knowing the end is sure. The tax exemption is a ring in their nose. They ignore John the Baptist and let him languish in jail with other christians and the poor, but to go there or oppose the laws that send them there is anathema. To levy one word and risk a rift w/the Gov. is beyond their understanding. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/07/07 09:58:21 AM
Age 51, LA
If your pastor serves a 501-c-3 orgnization they won't go to prison. They have already bowed thier knee to the god of this age and have agreed to serve the State the way the State says they can serve. The god of this age had blinded them. (the blind leading the blind)
For one proof; How many pastors write letters to the editor?
I would suggest if you have found yourselves ensnared by this subtle insideous deception, that you bibliclly renounce the convenant you have agreed to witht he adversary and repent so that you can serve The King in His Fullness in this hour.
Remember, there is an hour coming when no man can do no work. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 06/11/07 02:55:15 AM
Age 40, CA
I agree. The Church cannot be held to
'standards' by the manipulating state. The church is not under the state, but co-equal. The church is not tax exempt, but tax immune. The compromise will continue/next sensational intrusion will only be the next-not the last. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/06/07 02:46:19 AM
Age 46, AK
Thank you for further details on this matter, Janet. When WND ran an article concerning HR 1592 on March 3rd, I wrote this little piece under "General News" to inform our readers at Christian Research Net:
"Before the Lord called me into the pastoral ministry, and we had a more active involvement with Open Doors with Brother Andrew, time and time again house church leaders from China would tell us that they were praying that we, in America, would be blessed with the same kind of persecution they experience. They passionately recognized that we Americans were part of the same body of believers, but that we did not have the opportunity to seriously stand up for our faith as they were able to do daily.
"Well, it looks like God may be answering their prayers" Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 09:55:00 PM
Age 48, IN
Speaking the truth will always cost you something. You must have a firm conviction that the Bible is Truth. I am reminded of John the Baptist, he spoke the truth and he counted the cost. No compromise. That is the cost that must be paid. The Word of God is the standard for sinner or saint. Remember that His grace is sufficient. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 05/05/07 01:29:34 PM
Age 43, AZ
Stating an conviction of belief in a church setting verses shouting a hateful name are two entirely different actions.
"...if convicted of a "hate crime" (shouting an anti-homosexual name), the sentence becomes "enhanced" by 23-26 1/2 years turning a three-year sentence into a 30-year sentence."
I question the language of the bill as to whether it would really reach into church and personal settings. I understand the concern though regarding freedom of speech. In the future, it would be great if you would include a link to a page where we could read through the legislative bill that is of concern. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 05/06/07 08:17:13 PM
Age 58, OH
The militant homosexual movement in this country does in fact have on their adjenda ,plans to halt any speech which sheds light on the evils of the homosexual life style. This society we live in has
slowly slipped into moral rot and decay over time, one step at a time. I can assure you, the passing of this pending legislation in congress would be only one more step for this group, toward their eventual goal of being able to live in total and complete depravity without the impediment of moral outrage. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 11:36:53 AM
Age 55, TX
To our forebears, yours would have been a "call to arms" and would have received immediate response. Complaicency will be the death of our Christian values, and we will still be blaming those without wisdom. Your reminder, that God holds us accountable for defending His standards, is timely. I contacted my representative. Click here to reply to this post
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Posted On: 05/05/07 04:37:27 PM
Age 59, IL
Age 55, TX... well said, my friend. I really pray that we Christians will not be thought of as, well... that cute little froggie, blissfully swimming around in his or her climate controlled water, under-informed or mis-informed or utterly complacent, and never realizing that he or she is actually swimming around in, of all things, a kettle. But most of all, never realizing... that there is a roaring and raging fire beneath. Let them call us other names, but complacent... please, NOT. In Him, scott. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 11:19:08 AM
Age 57, TX
I greatly appreciate the information and insight into the "hidden" agenda of HR 1592. The references to the Hate Crime cirriculum are accurately quoted, but due to recent (Mar 2007) revisions, the page numbers have changed. You can view the entire printed portion of the cirriculum at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/publications/infores/responding/files/ncj182290.pdf
The bill as a stand alone instrument appears to contain a good idea, punish those who commit crimes out of hatred, but when viewed in context of its impact in the broader sense, its impact on law enforcement, border security officers and clergy could be devistating. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 11:16:07 AM
Age 47, WI
Brothers, Sisters in Christ,
I am a pastor and I believe in the inerrant Word of our great God and king. Although this may hearald the beginning of the persecution of the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, I will nevertheless, still insist on "speaking the truth in love."
We are indeed in the last days! We should be praying now like never before, "...let thy kingdom come, thy will be done..." The tribulation (wrath of the devil) is fast approaching. Let's remain faithful to the call...
pressing toward the mark,
Dr. Dan Whitelaw Pastor Agape Harvest Fellowship Ministries Church in Milwaukeee WI Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 09:19:51 AM
Age 28, TX
Janet, Greetings to you in Jesus Christ. I have read your book, and couldn't agree with you more. Pray God will have mercy on our nation. Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus Click here to reply to this post
Re: Are American Pastors Headed For Prison?
Posted On: 05/05/07 08:52:50 AM
Age 65, FL
This is an extremely important article. The same secular, "liberal", leftists, who are always braying about pornography being free speech, are now on a major campaign to take away our free speech rights by designating some speech as "hate". Ridiculous. Everyone who likes to discuss politics and religion is already having to decide if what they say is acceptable by the speech police. Folks are losing their jobs, being ridiculed and even facing jailtime for giving their opinions about something. The words free speech in our constitution mean free speech in relationship to religion and politics. It was NEVER meant to cover porn, vulgar language, despicable art, etc... Pass this article on to your friends and family. Wake them up now before its too late. Click here to reply to this post