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John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth



Posted: 03/22/2007

John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth

By W. Scott Lamb

 

The Truth War: Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception by John MacArthur (Nelson Books: April 2006), $22.99.

A book usually has to be released before it gets talked about. Makes sense, right?

Not so with The Truth War by John MacArthur. This book had people talking months ago. Would it be another Ashamed of the Gospel? Would MacArthur again call out by name those within Evangelicalism who diminish truth in favor of crowd-pleasing methods and theology? Would this be the bomb on the Emergent/Emerging battleground?

 What MacArthur actually does is to exegete the book of Jude, with special emphasis on verses 3-4,

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude wrote with urgency, knowing that false teachers within the church (apostates) were wrecking spiritual havoc among Christians. MacArthur defines apostasy as, “Soul-destroying error that arises from within the church. …It speaks of abandonment, a separation, a defection- the abdication of truth altogether.”

And where is the spirit of apostasy most found in today’s church? Postmodernism. MacArthur believes postmodernism warps the way Evangelicals think and talk about truth. No longer is truth conceived as that “which was once for all delivered to the saints.” Instead, “hermeneutical humility” trumps all concern for Biblical orthodoxy.

We are called to perpetual spiritual warfare, not against flesh and blood, but against all the spiritual forces who repeat the mantra of the serpent in the garden, “Did God really say…?”

Now, what Christian would disagree with this teaching from Jude? Let me be clear – the vast majority of MacArthur’s book is a Bible study, and his understanding of Jude is impeccable.

If MacArthur is correct in his understanding of Jude’s message (the danger of apostates and apostasy), is it wrong to actually give some concrete examples from current Evangelical life? If he has correctly diagnosed the spirit of the age as being “a tendency to dismiss the possibility of any sure and settled knowledge of the truth”, then should we turn a blind eye to those within Evangelicalism who embody such a spirit?

Does MacArthur name names? Yes. With various degrees of criticism, he mentions Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Chris Seay, John Armstrong, Rick Warren, Donald Miller, and Doug Pagitt. MacArthur says their ministries emphasize theological minimalism and a downplaying of divine truth as the real foundation of the church. He says, “Bible teaching, even in the best of venues today, has been deliberately dumbed-down, made as broad and as shallow as possible, oversimplified, adapted to the lowest common denominator- and then tailored to appeal to people with short attention spans.

On some points, MacArthur would give an example of theological error within Evangelicalism without actually using the person’s name. For example, he says, “For at least a decade now, Evangelical best-seller lists have included a steady stream of works by authors and musicians who deny the doctrine of the Trinity. They hold to a distinctive version of modalism.”  Everybody knows MacArthur is talking about author T.D. Jakes and musical group Phillips, Craig, and Dean, but he doesn’t actually drop their name in.

Again, MacArthur notes a preacher’s misuse of Acts 26:2, “I think myself happy”, and says, “This man pulled out the phrase ‘I think myself happy’ and preached a sermon on the importance of positive thinking in the midst of adversity!   … That preacher had corrupted the intent of Paul’s inspired words because he was using the verse out of context to teach an unbiblical doctrine.”  Now, who do you suppose would preach a sermon about “Thinking yourself happy”? Joel Osteen is the preacher, but his name is not given.

My point in mentioning this is that if you add up all the criticism MacArthur gives to specific Evangelicals, you have to see that MacArthur is actually very reserved in his comments. He could have documented and discussed for an entire chapter each of the men listed above. He chose instead to spend the bulk of his book talking about Jude, and allows the reader to make the application in their own setting. Let the timeless Word of God do the work – this is excellent.

This method serves the church well, for although the men who are mentioned above are “leaders” within Evangelicalism, I doubt that any of them have set foot your local church within the last month. So, it is not these men themselves in the flesh, but their ideas, theology, and ministry example which pose a danger to our own local churches.

And so, the work of discernment and “Fighting for certainty in an age of deception” is the task of the local church. Pastors must do this work in their own ministry. Elders, deacons, Sunday school teachers, fathers and mothers – we must all be engaged in “The Truth War” right where we are at.

MacArthur says, “One of the main lessons of Jude’s epistle is that Christians must never cease fighting. We cannot pretend error is no longer worth battling in our generation. We should not imagine that the enemy has finally shifted into retreat mode. The war against the truth goes on continuously, unrelentingly, on multiple fronts- and it always has.”

I found this book to be both provocative and helpful. The provocative part is the timeless message of Jude itself, calling us to be bold in our confrontation of error and explanation of truth.

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Posted On: 03/08/08 10:25:45 AM Age 30, PA
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 09:25:57 PM Age 72, AR
Aren't Jude, MacArthur and Lamb all reminding us that truth is a goal to be sought fervently even though it probably cannot be reached. Certainly one who makes a positive effort to progress toward truth will come a lot closer than one who declares he has attained truth and "if you don't agree with me you don't have a chance." Truth is like the mathematical infinity in this sense of being approachable but not attainable. One who has to boost himself by declaring he has found absolute, that is unimprovable, truth, whether in a philosophical sense, a biblical sense, a historical sense or a scientific sense, and the way he did it is the only way indicts himself not only as having failed but of having expected to fail. This seems to me the message, and a vital message indeed, of the Book of Jude, the book by MacArthur and the article by Lamb. The positive endeavor of seeking truth always will be more productive and satisfying than the negative method of declaring someone else or some other method cannot find it. In truth close counts even more than in hand grenades and horseshoes.
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  1. Re: Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
    Posted On: 03/24/07 08:23:18 PMAge 40, NJ
    Truth is what Truth is. You can't change the Truth even though countless have twisted the Truth. Truly God chose the foolish things of this world to confound the wise...(1 Corinthians 1:26-29). Jesus Christ Himself told us if we do not humble ourselves as little children, we will in no wise enter into the kingdom. Jesus Christ Is The Way, THE TRUTH, and The Life. Truth is the Person of Jesus Christ. His word clearly states that we (those of us who are willing to follow Him according to His commandments) have His very mind, the mind of Christ. Anyone of us would be considered a fool if we actually thought it possible to possess Christ...for He is Colossians 1:16-18 as it is written. Excusing Jesus Christ, who Is the Truth, is like taking a shotgun and standing with your back turned to the enemy. Lifting that shotgun up and pointing it at your face (knowing the enemy is standing right behind you), and pulling the trigger. After an insane act as such, how can one give God the glory that He died to give to us? Truly many are called but few are chosen. So my comment to this post is this,..If you (sir or madam) confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. If you already took that step...then repent and believe the gospel.
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  2. Re: Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
    Posted On: 03/23/07 11:04:45 PMAge 43, NC
    Nope. Truth is not something that we can only approach but never attain. Truth can be known with absolute certainty. What is Truth? Pilate asked this very question in John chapter 18. Jesus said we can know truth, "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." (John 18:37b) What then is truth? More precisely "who" is truth? Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -manifestation of the truth (2 Cor. 4:2) -the word of the truth (Col. 1:5) -the love of the truth (2 Thess. 2:10) -belief of the truth (2 Thess. 2:13) -the knowledge of the truth.(1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Tim. 3:7, Hebrews 10:26) -the pillar and ground of the truth. (1 Tim 3:15) -the acknowledging of the truth (2 Tim 2:25, Titus 1:1) -testified of the truth (3 John 1:3) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 John 2:21) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. (1 John 3:19) Demetrius hath good report of all men, and of the truth itself: yea, and we also bear record; and ye know that our record is true. (3 John 1:12) Truth can, in fact, be known absolutely. There is no truth outside of the Lord Jesus Christ. He alone is truth. All else is merely vain knowledge.
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 02:59:49 PM Age 53, IN
I have not read MacArthur's book yet, so I will reserve judgment on it until I do. But I am curious about the group Phillips, Craig, and Dean. Are they "Jesus Only" charismatics like the "Sabellian" Apostolic Church? Sadly, I've really liked their body of work. I preached through Jude about a year and a half ago. There are "hereticks" everywhere. Where do you start? Teach the Truth the first time.
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Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
Posted On: 03/23/07 11:51:12 AM Age 34, MI
Don't let MacArthur fool you when he talks down the Catholic Papacy. What he means to say is that he should be Pope (as well as the College of Bishops, local priest, and head deacon). With every book he writes, whether he realizes it or not, he reminds the world why Jesus founded ONE Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and at the same time charged Peter with the office of first Prime Minister. With this latest book it sounds like MacAurthur is at it again, that is pontificating over Evangelicalism. Nice job John, except Jesus never promised that you would not be overcome by the gates of Hell nor does the Bible say anything about "Grace to You" being "the pillar and foundation of the truth". Instead, both of those assertions are made of the Church. To those who have ears, let them hear...
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  1. Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
    Posted On: 03/25/07 02:44:19 PMAge 60, TX
    Excuse me, but Jesus did say the gates of hell will not prevail over the church. In Matthew 16:18 Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not overpower. The Church is the plan of God, not man's and nothing every thwarts God's plan.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 03/26/07 09:43:42 AMAge 34, MI
      I agree with you that the church will not be overcome by the gates of hell. However, my point is that John MacArthur is not the church and thus is given no Biblical gurantees.
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  2. Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
    Posted On: 03/23/07 05:20:29 PMAge 47, CA
    Dear Sir You sound like an angry catholic. Please give documented evidence for what you are claiming, before you spew refuse from your mouth and attack others and expect those who have ears to listen to you. Also, The gates of hell will not prevail against any of us true believers. Read Romans 8:35-39, for evidence of this.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 03/26/07 10:06:38 AMAge 34, MI
      Romans 8:35-39 is an encouraging verse. However, "context is King". Paul goes on to say in Romans 11:22, "Note the kindess and severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindeness; otherwise you too will be cut off." So, I submit to you that one thing can "seperate us from the love of God", that is sin (also see Mt 24:13, Phil 2:12, 1 Cor 9:27, Gal 5:4, 2 Tim 2:11-13, Heb 6:4-6, Heb 10:26-27).
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  3. Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
    Posted On: 03/23/07 04:41:06 PMAge 68, MA
    Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, is a Jew, and He was speaking to Jewish believers when He spoke the words in Matt 16:18. The context( remember context is king...you cannot pluck a Scripture out of the context & expect to get understanding) is that Jesus had asked His discples who they said He was. Peter answered correctly that He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Jesus then answered him saying that he was Peter (petra (fem) a piece of rock) And that upon THIS rock ( a mass of rock...Jesus the Rock )He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. God doesn't build His church on men. Jesus is the foundation, the cornerstone. There were no Roman Catholics, or Popes. The foundation of the church is Jesus Christ,a Jew, and He commissioned a little handful of Jewish believers to preach His Gospel. They didn't ride around in Popemobiles & wear headgear derived from pagan sources. They were servants of the Living God & His people, not high & mighty living the good life. Neither did they observe days founded upon pagan traditions. None of that happened until Constantine, claiming to be a Christian, married the church to pagan Rome for purposes of power,control & authority. Read your Bible & look up the words in Greek & Hebrew. Also read history.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 04/14/07 10:30:32 AMAge 65, WA
      I appreciate this persons words on truth. The L-rd Himself said, seek me and you will find me. and we know HE IS TRUTH, the living Torah. And pope,,,no Peter is and never was a pope. Jesus is the rock of our Salvation and by the way we received it thru the Jews who we are to go into all the world to the Jew first. Jesus was writing to the Jews from Gen to Acts..hello ! The Jews are future and Ezekiel tells us when they are attacked that HE will open their eyes. And when HE stands on the MT of OLIVE, not NYC he will call up the dead, give them a heart of flesh, pour pure water on them, take away their sin and all Israel will be saved. Isaiah tells us. Israel is His Wife, we are the bride. And John tells us why do you call me L-rd but do not follow my fathers commands ? Constatine brought all religions together for money and brought paganism into the church with their Satanic traditions, so what part of what G-d hates is brought into the true church. Rev 12 onto 17 tells us one chruch will hand their power to antichrist, the true church will be gone. the bible also says man doesn't learn from history. G-d will NOT stand on a hill with any other god. Now many have signed up under the bigest cult who serves the "other Jesus" that Paul warned us of. Everything is foretold thru Israel..no one replaced them or the ownership to the OLIVE TREE. Scripture reveals scripture, not man. taken out of context all you have is a lie. what G-d did once He is doing again, and the old reveals the new, the new is concealed in the old. See what G-d has to say in Ezekiel 36 thru 39. And Cor. tells us APOSTASY has to come just before the chruch leaves. The bible tells us the whole truth and says the HS will be your teacher..read it for yourself, there are too many false prophets out there.along with that other gospel.Gen 12 and Ezekiel 12 both tell you what and how G-d wants His true follows need to be, and HE doesn't change, no shadow of turning. He is not a covenant breaker to Israel,& if He was why would you believe the covnant of the cross. HIS WORD is TRUTH...
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    2. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 03/26/07 10:31:52 AMAge 34, MI
      According to the original Greek Christ referred to Simon by the proper name Peter or "petros (Rocky)" and said he would build his church on this petra (rock). Indeed, there is a Greek word petros that roughly means "little stone". However, most scholars agree that Jesus spoke aramaic. In aramaic there is no distinction between the word for "little stone" and "rock". Out of Jesus mouth the direct translation would be, "You are "rock" and upon this "rock" I will build my Church". Matthew translates Jesus's statement into Greek and uses the opportunity to use a Greek ending on petra that designates a proper name,"os", Rocky. Nevertheless, we should all agree that the Church is founded on Christ. Peter and his successors are merely Christ's representitive on earth in matters of faith and morals. In fact, the "keys to the kingdom (v.19)" references a passage in Isa 22:22 that is talking about the office of Prime Minister. The Prime Minister was the OT representitive of the king when the king was away.
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
        Posted On: 04/19/07 04:33:52 PMAge 44, MS
        Hmmm...isn't it interesting that this "rock," Peter, only a few verses later is found denying his Lord three times? The "Rock" upon which Christ said He would build His church was the God-given revelation that Jesus is the Christ - the only payment for our sins and, I might add, the "only mediator bewteen God and man." Unless of course the translators misunderstood the term "only." Does "only" mean "one of several" in Aramaic?
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  4. Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
    Posted On: 03/23/07 02:43:56 PMAge 44, NE
    Dear Age 34, MI: "With every book he writes, whether he realizes it or not, he reminds the world why Jesus founded ONE Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church" You have misused the word "Catholic" completely here in your comments assuming that you are quoting from the Niceen Creed. The word catholic in the Niceen creed is lower case and does not in any way refer to the Roman "C"atholic church but rather to the catholic church. That is to say the term catholic in the lower case, as used in the Niceen creed refers the universal or comprehensive people of God, visible through time. Suffice it to say the Roman church does not "own" the term catholic but rather has hijacked the term for it's own purposes and self agrandizement. The "ONE" church to which you refer is categorically not the Roman church but both the invisible AND visible church of all time which is comprised of all the saints (those who believe by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone for their Salvation) not the one's that the Roman church itself has arbitrarily chosen to venerate based upon men's choosing and deference. Further, Jesus didn't found the church. "The church" age didn't exist or begin until the church age (see Acts) which was after Christ ascended to Heaven where He now sit's and where "lives to make intercession" (Hebrews 7:25)for us. I could go on and on but in Truth what I would challenge you to do is instead of believing what someone has taught you (perhaps all of your life)compare what it is that you believe with what God say's about Himself in His revealed word. That is the Bible. Always remember that despite a man's title even if he be a "Prime Minister", the best of men are men at best.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 03/26/07 10:57:43 AMAge 34, MI
      Thank you for pointing out my misuse of a capital "c". I stand corrected. Nevertheless, history shows that it is the Protestant church that has usurped the use of "catholic". Afterall, when the Creed was written only one chruch existed, the one, holy, catholic, and apostoloic Church. These four terms refer to the reasons why we should believe in the Church at all. Amongst scholars they are called the "motives of credibility". Historically, the Church battled heresy by claiming to be the most credible witness, in fact the very safe house, to the truth of Christ's divine revelation. When heresies would arise the questions would be asked (1) Does this doctrine contradict that which is already in the Tradition (Holy)? (2) Is this doctrine taught universally throughout the Church (catholic)? (3) Can this doctrine be traced back to the original deposit of faith left by Christ to the Apostles (apostolic)? (4) Are church leaders in union with the Pope, in universal agreement on this doctrine (one)? If the answer was not "yes" to all of the above criteria then the doctrine was rejected. 33,000 denominations latter the Protestant Church has no motives of credibility other than its use of the Roman Catholic Tradition (i.e. the Bible's table of contents (Council of Carthage 390 AD) and the Trinity (Council of Nicea 325 AD).
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  5. Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
    Posted On: 03/23/07 02:35:48 PMAge 56, OR
    Sir. You seem to have an odd way of saying very little. In reference to the gates of hell prevailing, I think you are on the wrong-side of them, so to speak. The 'Gates of Hell' do not actually attack us, it is the other way around. I understand this passage to mean the the gates of hell will not withstand our attack! That is, they will not prevail (prevent) the (our) Victory in Jesus. I think, a) your 'pope' is too big, and b)your God is too small. And by the way, the Church of England and the Episcopal Church have similar confessions to the Roman Church. Both of which exclude the papacy. PGW
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Pope John Mac the First (and last)
      Posted On: 03/26/07 11:20:40 AMAge 34, MI
      Dear Sir, thank you for calling me sir. First, your language betrays you. "I think..." is not really grounds for any kind of credible argument unless you wish to provide your credentials. Nevertheless, according to the John MacArthur Study Bible "the Gates of Hell" is a Jewish phrase referring to death. Thus, in a sense you would be correct. However, death comes into our lives in a variety of ways and most tragically as spiritual death through the teaching and belief in theological error. Thus, does it not seem most proper that Jesus gave Peter the "keys" so that God's people would be protected from soul killing doctrinal error? Finally, one need not look long at the Episcopal/Anglican church long to see the fallout of their seperation from Rome. Need I ellaborate?
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      1. I prefer, "I think". "Or it may be that..." such and such.
        Posted On: 03/26/07 07:23:16 PMAge 56, OR
        Sir, no credential would defer me from the ranks of the foolish. Since by the foolishnes of preaching, men are saved. Peter, who no doubt would agree with St. Paul, would have ranked himself along with the 'chief sinners' as he did. I imagine that everytime he heard a certain CROWING that he was reduced to Love and not elevated to greatness. Since you may be also a very dedicated servant of the Lord Jesus, yet of the Roman persuasion, have you not noted in ALL churches a certain history of debauchery of one kind or another. I could embarass you perhaps, with some 'history of the excesses of Rome', but I think that would not serve well. Was Wolsey any worse than Tyndale? Was Peter any better a servant to lead than Paul or Phillip. Let us say that the whole Roman church was based on Constantine's amalgum of paganism (idolatry), Judaism and Christianity. With a few more rituals that no-one remembers thrown in. And then of course, who did Jesus give the "keys of the kingdom" to? Peter and the disciples that were with Him and were to later be with Him. For Peter especially; 1) Peter Empowered by the Holy Spirit 1a) Giving him Wisdom to Instruct Penitent Sinners {#Ac 2:14} 1b) Enduing him with Boldness and Courage {#Ac 4:13,19,20} 1c) Making him a Channel of Blessing to the Sick {#Ac 5:15} 1d) Making his Prayer Effective in the Raising of Tabitha {#Ac 9:40} 1e) Qualifying him to become a Medium of the "Spirit" to the Gentiles {#Ac 10:44} .... But not to the exclusion of all other disciples from this charter. .....Now I have no need to aim at ridding the world of Christians that are Romans, but I have heard lately some Romans preaching that they and they alone are the 'chosen'. Also, that their collusion with Hitler in the last war was due to the need to exterminate the 'Christ haters' and to futher the humanist goal of one world government controlled by the 'chosen'. The C. of E. and the Episcopal Synod have indeed trodden the path of the unGodly of late. Yet I find that in so many things, the root rather than the flower is the demise and downfall or so many man-made organizations. I see the one as not the cause but rather the outcome of the other. ...Spiritual death is a disease that the unwary or proud may easily suffer from. It is not a quantative item easily discussed, but rather I think a state of being recognised by only those who were once its victim. You cannot un-deceive someone anymore than they may be 'born again' by man alone. No amount of stake-burning, head-removal or whip-lashings will usher in spiritual life. Yet these were tools of 'enlightenment' by past church representatives. I do not recall any indulgencies doing likewise either. Nevertheless, to be so certain of ones 'correctness' begs the question: am I also so spiritually blind as to need a very strong opinion in order to overcome my uncertainty? PGW
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        1. Re: I prefer,
          Posted On: 04/11/07 03:50:29 PMAge 35, MI
          The gospel will always be "fooloishness to those who are perishing". However, we as Christians are called to be "wise as serpents and innocent as doves". Reading history based on actual events as opposed to propaganda is a good place to start in becoming wise. Ironically, you mention the Nazis who were perfectionists at the rewriting of history starting with the historical-critical-method in re-interpreting Sacred Scripture in light of state sponsored propaganda. Similarly, it sounds as though your reading of history has been influenced more by anti-Catholic propaganda than actual fact. Though, I have no way of researching your claims because you give no citations to back them up.
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 11:40:10 AM Age 59, TX
I admire MacArthur's approach to discernment. Focus on the Truth, God's Word. There are many false teachers these days, teaching whatever our itching ears want to hear, but CWN and Brannon Howse have a lot to learn about dealing with them. It is God's Word and the Holy Spirit and prayer that will deliver people from a false gospel, not hateful condemnation. While discernment is a primary need of this generation, I question a ministry that is built upon attacks of every "ministry" they do not like or completely agree with. I wonder the motive: is it love and genuine desire for unity in Christ and restoration of those who have fallen away; or is it a sense of self-superiority, anger, frustration, judgmentalism and condemnation? Sadly many of the articles on this website are of the second option. It has long been said that they shall know we are Christians by our love. I believe it it the ultimate love of the Father, revealed in His sacrifice of His Son Jesus on our behalf, that draws all people to Him. It is my hope that this love will be revealed more clearly by the authors on this site to all, whether they disagree with them or not. Christ said to love our enemies, how much more people who are misguided in their ministry? Anger and condemnation are devisive, polarizing and tend to drive people away. Truth and love will present an atmosphere that can more likely allow the Spirit to reveal the truth. Division and strife are the devils work and enemy of evangelism. Let us work to unify the body, doing this work of revelation of faulty discernment as if Christ Himself were standing by our side, judging OUR THOUGHTS, WORDS and DEEDS. Because He is, you know!
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  1. Re: Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
    Posted On: 03/27/07 09:29:34 AMAge 56, TX
    Dear Fellow Christian, I couldn't agree with you more. There is far too much condemnation within the Christian community. I think all those who call themselves Christians would do well to reflect on Paul's exhortation in Ephesians 4:1-3, "Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." I believe we must consider that those today who claim to be righteous and the sole possessor's of God's/Christ's truth sound a lot like the Pharisees in Jesus' time. Did not Jesus reserve his strongest invective for the self-righteous, not the sinners and those searching for truth? Would he want any of his flock to act like that?
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  2. Re: Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
    Posted On: 03/23/07 09:45:44 PMAge 54, AZ
    Deuteronomy 13:1-5. After reading this passage I have one question. How can we put them to death (I am speaking figuratively) if we don't know who they are?
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 11:35:21 AM Age 76, GA
MacArthur is right. The Church cannot deviate from the Truth as given in the Word from the first page to the last. The Bible teaches quite plainly in over three score verses that it is the sun and not the earth that moves. All churches without exception have bowed to the dictates of an allegedly secular theoretical science establishment on this matter, giving the excuse that God had to lie and use that language because folks in those days were too dumb to handle the truth that "science" has shown us. (Try that argument with the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, etc.! Heliocentricity is demonstrably a factless deception based entirely on assumptions supported by a mathematical model which explains nothing that isn't explained by the Biblical model without the assumptions. This is BIG! fixedearth.com Marshall
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 11:09:45 AM Age 70, OR
John's book should be a helpful message. We are showered with books and messages regarding the "emergent" movement for good reason however there is a larger issue more relevant. The 300,00+ listed "Christian" churches in this country have less power, influence than the media. MTV has more influence on young people. The "institutional/corporate" church is really a program with little demonstrated of culture change. Having served as an elder in a very large church for years I now fellowship in a couple small home church settings. Much more relevant. We bear one another's burdens, study together, pray together and fellowship is there. Kononia requires participation. We have funds to help widows/orphans that would otherwise go to a building and a staff member. Lynn Berntson
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 10:52:04 AM Age 60, MO
It is good to see someone with the notoriety of John McArthur address the issue of truth in Christianity. I believe that due to increased media hype (TV, Movies, more books), we have seen more and more people interested in Christianity simply because they are hearing about it in more palatable ways than they ever have before. It is sad because they think they have the truth, but all they have received is some half baked notion of God's Holy Word. Many young people have been brought up with traditional understanding of Scriptural values and thoughts are left questioning those values in lieu of the super exposure of the new fangled methods of presented the Gospel. They may be saying, "Well, if we do it just a little bit different it shouldn't hurt anything, would it?" I agree that we must put on the whole armour of God and prepare ourselves to do battle against the powers of darkness. As Isaiah predicted, America has become a safe haven for demons of all sorts. George Cancilla
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church
Posted On: 03/23/07 10:52:01 AM Age 43, MN
THANK YOU. I so appreciate this review of John MacArthur's book. I so LOVE to buy books and read. If I could find a job where I could get paid to read, read, read I would be so ... giddy. But, my wise, loving (although yet unbelieving) husband has been used of God to keep me more balanced in this area. I don't run out and buy every book that I would like to. Thus, when the fullness of this wisdom is revealed, I breathe a sigh of relief. As is true today. I would have bought Mr. Osteen's books, amoung others, if my husband hadn't wisely put some constraints on this. Even though after watching Mr. Osteen for a little while I now remember that there was 'something' gnawing at my mind about the whole thing. But, like many, I didn't slow down enough to figure out what it was. Thanks again.
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Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
Posted On: 03/23/07 10:38:25 AM Age 60, KS
I have an idea. I would like to see all the writers who write columns for this site write about the gospels and their meaning for our lives. I think it would be more important and valid than going after preachers and writers who are outside their way of thinking. While the bible is the absolute word of God, many, many learned people seem to take things out of context and/or view the meaning of a word in conflicting ways. Some writers are bent on demeaning another writer or religion, including ones dating back hundreds and thousands of years. Instead of talk about whether Joel or Rick is right on with the scripture or Mormonism is this or that, why not talk about the Good News....the Gospels and what they are trying to teach us. Christ was trying to teach us something, wasn't he? I'm not being flippant about this, I'm serious. I think the Gospels themselves are far more important than criticism of ideas outside a particular belief system. Knowing the Gospels serves to allow correct disernment of the flock. I have studied the bible for years and have read everything I can get my hands on. I will always have questions on certain bible meanings. Lets talk about that. I'd like to read about that. Of course, I'll miss the other stuff as it gives me the opportunity to talk about God's great divine Love for His creation. I place myself in His loving arms and enjoy the comfort. The comfort in knowing that no matter what happens, it'll all be ok. J.D.
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  1. Re: Re: John MacArthur Exhorts the Church to Be Engaged in the Battle for Truth
    Posted On: 03/23/07 06:44:37 PMAge 23, BC
    Hey J.D! I agree that the preaching and teaching of the Gospels and really the whole Bible is very important for matters of discernment. Were certainly not in disagreement here, but allow me to build on what you were saying. It is important to take note of men or women that have deviated from sound Biblical teaching. The whole purpose of discernment is so that you as a Christian may rightly divide the Word of God and be able to identify error for the purpose of seeking to live blamelessly before God. This discernment is for your sake as well as those around you because they are faced with the same possibility of falling into error. "criticism of ideas outside a particular belief system" is not the issue, the issue is the Glory of God by asking "what does the Bible say?". And "demeaning another writer or religion" isn't the issue either, but there are so many times in the Bible where we are told to be on our guard, to be careful what we listen to, to discern true from false, and to examine everything. Speaking out against false teachers and false religion is necessary and I doubt you would disagree. Perhaps you don't realize it yet (or perhaps you do) but millions of people are getting sucked into this postmodern garbage and are being influenced by false teachers, heretics and false prophets that are simply being used as instruments of destruction. I even see it in people that I know. People do need to know this and be warned about them. So its really not "either or", but rather both sound Biblical teaching as well as men and women that raise an alarm regarding matters of discernment for the purpose of the glory of God. If its about ego then I realize its another matter. I also joy in discussing Gods grace, salvation, love, wrath and all of His attributes but for other people it won't be all "ok". They may go to hell. Many following with this postmodern movement are unregenerate, and the ones that are regenerated need the light and the power of Gods Word to turn from their error. So lets go preach the Gospel as obedient servants and also help our brothers and sisters to discern rightly. God Bless you friend.
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