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The Islamic Republic of Minnesota



Posted: 03/21/2007

The Islamic Republic of Minnesota

Jan Markell

www.olivetreeviews.org

 

At one time I was proud to say I lived in the great state of Minnesota.  Now, however, I'm having to apologize for more than our wind chills of 40 degrees below zero three months a year.  National commentators and talk show hosts are asking, "What is happening to Minnesota?"

 

Fox News' commentator John Gibson asked if we are the first Somali-Muslim state.  Talk show host Glen Beck did a half hour last night on his program asking about the Islamic connections in Minnesota. Some are suggesting we call our state the "Islamic Republic of Minnesota." Are we the second Dearborn, MI, and will this Islamic tolerance come to a neighborhood near you?

 

Author and commentator Paul Sperry was on air with me in the last year discussing his book, "Infiltration: How Muslims and other Subversives Are Penetrating Washington."  He warned of the blatant effort to tilt American culture toward Sharia Law.  Here are some examples of what's happening in my hometown known as the Twin Cities:

 

*  Minnesota elected the first Muslim to Congress--Keith Ellison, who took his oath of office on the Koran. There was little outrage, though some protested in futility.

 

*  Last November six Imams boarded US Airways Flight 300 at the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport. Witnesses say that they prayed loudly invoking Allah, switched from their assigned seats to a September 11 attack pattern, spoke in Arabic and English, criticized the war in Iraq and our President, talked about al Qaeda and bin Laden, and asked for seat-belt extenders.  They were arrested, then released.

 

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has filed a suit against US Airways for racial discrimination and religious intolerance.  The Imams are going to sue the PASSENGERS for acting nervous.  These are not just childish religious zealots who can be dismissed.

 

Think of what this could do to national security!  People will be afraid to come forth and express suspicious behavior or they might get sued!  When they spot danger, they will be forced to keep quiet or face a law suit.

 

Muslim attorneys are offering to "defend" these evil but innocent passengers. Time will tell if this is legit.

 

*  Muslims working for Target in Minnesota are refusing to handle pork products. If you want a Muslim to ring up your hot dogs, better go to another line.  Target caved and rather than firing them, put them in positions where they would not be "offended."

 

*  Muslim cab drivers in Minnesota said they would take NO passengers who had alcohol with them or dogs--not even seeing-eye dogs. Guess dogs are the lowest on the totem poll. The Airport Commission in the Twin Cities has been clamping down on this.

 

The bottom line to these stories and others not listed is that Muslims and particularly Muslims from Somalia in Minnesota are not assimilating like legal immigrants do. They are bringing their Muslim culture with them, and they demand Sharia Law or special privileges in many places in America.

 

Will Minnesotans for the sake of setting the trend for the other states say, "We're going to be open-minded liberals and you can have a different kind of status here?"  Will this set the trend as with Dearborn, MI?

 

The proper response should be, if you want Sharia Law and special privileges, go back to the country of your origin and don't try to change America.  Diversity, multiculturalism, and political correctness will harm America in the long run, even though they are the mantra of the Left.

 

 

 

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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 04/02/07 02:38:13 PM Age 47, CA
What we appear to have here are people who are submitting to Sharia Law, not enforcing it upon others. If an employer wishes to re assign an emloyee out of respect for their beliefs it is the right of the employer to do so. Where in the Gospel are we called upon to scream "Fire him!". Or for that matter, where are we commanded to cry out for our rights? Does the Gospel stand or fall upon our Constitution? I think not! Even under Roman Law, Christians should have had a right to follow Christ unhindered by the governent. The Emporors decree to kill all Christians was "Unconstitutional" by Roman Law. and yet, can anybody show me where Paul cries out for his rights under Roman Law. He does appeal to Ceasar claiming his right as a Roman ctizen to do so but here he actually condemmed himself to death after being aquitted by Herod Agrippa. So Paul actually used his rights as a citizen not to free himself but to get himslef into more trouble (At least on the secular level). Nowhere is the power of Government called upon to preserve the Gospel. Quite toi the contrary, the government is dared to attempt to destroy it. Sorry, but the Gospel is not protected by our constiution or that of any earthly establishment. It does not need human protection and stands against human percecution as proof of God's power. We need not call upon governent to enforce "Our rights". If anything, has anybody attempted to use these "Incidents" as an opportunity to winteness?
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/27/07 11:51:48 PM Age 61, TX
To anyone who is curious, the book, BECAUSE THEY HATE by Lebanese-born (Israeli-saved) Brigette Gabriel, lists the cities all over the USA where terror cells are active. All three of the books I listed in an earlier post are excellent.
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/29/07 02:28:52 AMAge 51, CA
    Well hello to ya 61TX. It would appear that I missed out on quite the three ring circus between 30MO, 19VA and you. 30MO and 19VA: Your personalities are starting to come into focus. Perhaps we'll fence the next time Jan posts an article. Say hj, what part of the Show-me-state do you hail from? Me: KC originally, but now in the Golden State. I got my retirement shack in Warsaw, MO though. It's about 150 feet from the banks of Truman lake. 19VA: You gotta a lot of growin' to do! Unless you're not really 19. Don't confuse brains with wisdom. You'll likely feel teeth clampin' down on your hindquarters if you do! Well, I guess that's all for me until Miss Markell posts another article. Half-breed Jew boy Herb is signing off.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/29/07 12:50:51 PMAge 61, TX
      Herb, hope you participate next time around! Jan is not only current, she has discernment. God Bless!
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/26/07 01:08:46 PM Age 52, CO
Y'all need to stop arguing with Islam sympathizers. Don't you get it? Conflict engagement is all they seek. Mere engagement is their victory. The best way to treat with Islam is to marginalize it. A cult member lives inside a self-referential world view. Until they choose to escape the limits of their cult, there's nothing to be gained by treating them like reasonable human beings.
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/28/07 10:20:50 PMAge 30, MO
    "Y'all need to stop arguing with Islam sympathizers. [...] Mere engagement is their victory. [...] A cult member lives inside a self-referential world view." I could not have said it better myself. hj
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  2. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/27/07 11:46:16 PMAge 61, TX
    I appreciate your insight. I don't give up on people easily, and I sure didn't want to believe this person had made his final decision yet, based on the level of anger he displayed. But his filthy website changed my mind. No more throwing pearls to swine; guidance should be given in accordance with the spiritual capacity of the learners. Now I don't believe he has any.I do appreciate your insight. I don't give up on people easily, and I sure didn't want to believe this person had made his final decision yet, based on the level of anger he displayed. But his filthy website changed my mind. No more throwing pearls to swine; guidance should be given in accordance with the spiritual capacity of the learners. Now I don't believe he has any.
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/25/07 01:28:28 AM Age 30, MO
"I just received this link; I STRONGLY ADVISE EVERYONE TO GO TO IT AND FURTHER YOUR EDUCATION ABOUT TERRORISM IN OUR COUNTRY. Please!!! God Bless You http://usawakeup.org/mission.htm." In the interests of fairness, I went to this website. Of course, the quality of the information depends on the quality of your sources. There's a map about where the terrorists are. You can see it here: http://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_cells.html By the way, NBC stands for "nuclear, biological, chemical", not a respectable journalist. Anyway, the map was made by STANDEYO.com, a group that sells "Dare to Prepare"--a survivalist company...not exactly a neutral source, but one that has an incentive to SEE THAT YOU ARE SCARED. OK, where'd they get their info? Most of it comes from Steven Emerson, a disgraced reporter who has been caught forging FBI by the Associated Press (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1443). Oh, well. Not looking good. Oh yeah, he also claimed: ON THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING "This (the bombing) was done with the intent to inflict as many casualties as possible. That is a Middle Eastern trait." (CBS News, April 19, 1995) "Oklahoma City, I can tell you, is probably considered one of the largest centers of Islamic radical activity outside the Middle East." (CBS News, April 19, 1995). He said it. He can't unsay it. As we know, the OK City Bombing was carried out by a members of a right-wing paramilitary group. Oops. The "articles" that I can find linked from the recommended site are mostly politically biased. But that's not my opinion, it's the webmaster's: "have been criticized by some of not presenting a bipartisan approach to this threat (and other material on this web site). When I first started this web site a year ago, I tried the middle-of-the-road bipartisan approach, and kept the politics pretty much out of it. Well, that approach didn't work - I got the same criticism and hate filled emails that I get now, nothing changed. So, my approach now is to put the blame where I believe it belongs. If this approach offends you, or you totally disagree with what's on this site, I recommend you seek a web site that more agrees with your opinion." So, yeah. No credibility whatsoever. I'll take him up on his invitation to not linger at this unreliable site. hj hjhop.blogspot.com (not suitable for children or their parents)
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/24/07 02:54:54 PM Age 61, TX
I just received this link; I STRONGLY ADVISE EVERYONE TO GO TO IT AND FURTHER YOUR EDUCATION ABOUT TERRORISM IN OUR COUNTRY. Please!!! God Bless You http://usawakeup.org/mission.htm
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/24/07 02:43:58 PM Age 61, TX
TO CWN----ALL WHO READ CWN, JAN MARKELL, AND THE FEEDBACKS, BEWARE. The person whose posts bear the ID "30 MO" and promotes hjblogspot.com is promoting a vile, repulsive, foul-mouthed, barn-yard language mess that HE is responsible for, and he has the audacity to try to promote it on this website. Be forewarned, the "hj" in his name stands for "HAPPY JIHAD'S HOUSE OF PANCAKES." No wonder he's so obnoxious on CWN, he's just obnoxious all the way around!
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/24/07 10:17:12 PMAge 30, MO
    How do you know I'm not 19 VA, 47 AK, or, for that matter, 61 TX? I could be, you know. I'm being consistent with you, and take that as a sign of my good faith. hj hjhop.blogspot.com (not for children or infantile adults)
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  2. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/24/07 09:01:00 PMAge 30, MO
    “TO CWN----ALL WHO READ CWN, JAN MARKELL, AND THE FEEDBACKS, BEWARE. The person whose posts bear the ID "30 MO" and promotes hjblogspot.com is promoting a vile, repulsive, foul-mouthed, barn-yard language mess that HE is responsible for, and he has the audacity to try to promote it on this website. Be forewarned, the "hj" in his name stands for 'HAPPY JIHAD'S HOUSE OF PANCAKES.' No wonder he's so obnoxious on CWN, he's just obnoxious all the way around!” Hallelujah! Someone on this website did research, found evidence and came up with an informed opinion! Good on you, mate. Did you see my caveat about visiting my site further down the page? It reads: “Please be aware that my language there is far far more candid there than I would ever post on here, and that it is not a site for children.” No tricks. About my handle, HJ, I picked that name for many reasons: 1) “Jihad” means “struggle” no more no less, and like “crusade” it can be taken to extremes. 2) A lot of people in this country think it means “kill Christians” 3) That’s uninformed. 4) A lot of Muslims think that it means that it means “Kill Christians.” 5) They too are wrong. 6) People on both sides take it in the wrong way (as is the case here) 7) I am a really genuinely “happy” and I enjoy the agonistic view of life—it’s a struggle, man. 8) I read the website name as “Happy Struggle”—I gleefully debate. The house of pancakes bit, well, Chinese restaurants often have names that don’t translate well: “The Happy Won”; “Joyous Happy Café” or whatever. There’s always happiness in them somewhere, though, and that’s kind of sweet. So, that was the association with the restaurant thing. Now, with respect to the language, which I must admit, is generous and foul and cathartic, I don’t post it here. It’s my own thing and it’s completely fine—and it’s terribly cathartic. Yay. I mean, talking about UNIVERSAL bodily functions is far less offensive to me than pronouncing hate for Muslims. “Are you one of those people who just thrives on stirring up the trouble-pot?” (BTW, I’m sure Nero thought that about the Christians.) I love it. I love having my expectations turned upside down, and I try to share my enthusiasm. I feel it dizzying to learn something or see something in a new way. Really. “You need counseling AND you need to empty your head and your heart of all the bitterness and junk that's been deposited there, and get in the Bible.” My website, actually takes care of my cathartic needs, really. I often don’t know how I feel about something until I write about it. “I don't know what has made you this way, but you can't be a happy person!!!” I can be and am. Indeed, I was not happy about life until I realized that I really wasn’t a believer. I always felt torn and dishonest—a lot of people are miserable this way inside and don’t think that they can escape and like themselves. It was better for everyone that I be honest with myself. And I’m happy and feel no compunction about my atheism. I am proud of it, really and it is a misconception that it an unfulfilling life. Indeed, feel I MUST find it fulfilling because it’s my only chance. Really. hj hjhop.blogspot.com (not for children or wilingly infantile adults)
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/24/07 01:15:22 AM Age 21, MN
I find it hard to take you seriously when you push religious freedom to allow prayer in schools, but show intolerance when Muslims want to practice their religion in the workplace. This is a nation of religious freedom, not Christian freedom. We are supposed to be citizens in the Kingdom of God, not in the kingdom of the United States of America. Honestly, some of the things you're saying against Islam (especially in the last paragraph) is reminiscent of the protestant church in Germany against the Jewish citizens of their country from 1933 to 1945 (the Nazi regime).
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/23/07 10:18:14 PM Age 47, MO
I agree with Jan Markell. Yes, in this case, Jan Markell is correct and shame on the rest of you for attacking her regarding this article. I say this sincerely, not with anger or sarcasm, that I am glad to see Jan showing her wisdom without poisoning it with rapture speculation. Age 19 VA and so many other liberals want to let the Islamofascists follow Mohammed's lies to hurt people, but the liberals are outraged at us Christians who stand for the truth. Now liberals want to let Muslims discriminate against blind people who have seeing-eye dogs, but they won't let us Christians take a stand against sex perverts!
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/24/07 12:24:41 AMAge 30, MO
    "Yes, in this case, Jan Markell is correct and shame on the rest of you for attacking her regarding this article. I say this sincerely, not with anger or sarcasm, that I am glad to see Jan showing her wisdom without poisoning it with rapture speculation." I know. Heaven forbid that we offer opposing viewpoints. (That was said with sarcasm.) "Age 19 VA and so many other liberals want to let the Islamofascists follow Mohammed's lies to hurt people but the liberals are outraged at us Christians who stand for the truth." Like people being eaten and regurgitated by whales? Sure. Stoning women for...anything really? Have at 'em. Look out, girls! There's a new judge, jury and executioner in town! "Now liberals want to let Muslims discriminate against blind people who have seeing-eye dogs, but they won't let us Christians take a stand against sex perverts!" Meanwhile, in Non Sequitor City, a lone skeptic asks, "What other type of perverts are there?" By the way, liberals traditionally HATE the blind--even more than we hate America and country music (there was sarcasm there--we don't hate America). Those blind people, always bumping into things and getting the good parking spots...wait a minute. Scratch that last one. Reasonable accommodation for religion is no sweat off of my brow, and I'm an atheist. Well, then, my new friend, never EVER ask for the right to pray on school property EVER again. Wow. I really am headed the wrong way down a one-way Jesus street, aren't I? Also, please define "Islamofascist," because that's a new term for me. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go eat a live puppy. hj hjhop.blogspot.com
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    1. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/24/07 01:15:26 PMAge 19, VA
      thanks hj, it's much appreciated. Although i must disagree with you on one point--I really do hate country music.
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    2. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/24/07 12:03:19 PMAge 61, TX
      As sincerely as I can say it, I feel so sorry for you. Your posts indicate that you must be a terribly unhappy person to live in such a sarcastic, negative frame of mind. If you don't believe in God, if you disagree with the politics, faith practices and thinking of people who do, and follow this website and want to freely communicate their opinions, then why don't you just STOP logging on and go something that makes you happy---if there is anything that can! Are you one of those people who just thrives on stirring up the trouble-pot? I think you need counseling AND you need to empty your head and your heart of all the bitterness and junk that's been deposited there, and get in the Bible. I don't know what has made you this way, but you can't be a happy person!!!
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
        Posted On: 03/25/07 05:03:52 PMAge 19, VA
        We log onto here for two reasons: First, someone has to address the 'echo-chamber effect' that goes on in places where only one ideology is taught. Second, occasionally, something compelling is said that forces us to evolve our position. What better way to get good discussion than to go to where those that disagree with you hang out? This is why i chose the university i did, and why most of my friends hold various different viewpoints from mine. We like the exchange of ideas. It doesn't scare us into small, like-thinking groups.
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/22/07 11:05:17 PM Age 19, VA
Ill take a progressive muslim in office over a fundamentalist anything any day. I'm thinking, though, of course, we need to approach everyone with the eyes of love instead of the eyes of fear. Fear says block muslims coming into minnesota and/or brainwash them to be like us and cause no questioning of society at large. Love says these are people like anyone else, to be readily accepted here, and engaged in conversation with and to bounce ideas off of. Then everyone involved grows a little.
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/23/07 02:56:42 PMAge 58, MA
    You are a very naive person. Your opinion wreaks of a kind of tolerance that sees itself as virtuous, because you have no real convictions! Islam does mean "submit", someday because of people like you, we will all have to submit to Allah or be killed. It won't matter if you are a fundamentalist Christian, an atheist, or a flower child, you will have to submit. You will not be able to promote your liberal ideas, because Islamo Facists are not liberals; they are Fundamentalists. I for one wish to live under the laws of the United States of America, not Sharia law. If they want to live here, they should abide by our laws, not theirs! We certainly couldn't move to their country and dictate what our Country's laws are. Wake up!
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    1. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/24/07 01:19:30 PMAge 19, VA
      well we do a pretty good job tolerating christian fundamentalism without the laws of the united states changing to reflect those beliefs over everything else. By your logic all fundamentalism should be banned. Tell you what, I'll make you a deal. If the christians take over the US and impose restrictive religious based laws, then after the revolution takes it back I'll agree to kick the muslims out--but only if all other religions leave too.
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    2. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/24/07 10:55:38 AMAge 30, MO
      "You are a very naive person. Your opinion wreaks" [reeks] "of a kind of tolerance that sees itself as virtuous" [because is better to be nice], "because you have no real convictions!" [No, the conviction is it is nice to be nice.] Islam does mean "submit" [And Christianity, especially as it is expressd on this website means, do whatever you like? Right.] "someday because of people like you, we will all have to submit to Allah or be killed" [I can't decide if this paranoia is stupid, sad or hilarious. Evidence?] "It won't matter if you are a fundamentalist Christian, an atheist, or a flower child, you will have to submit. [Do you have any idea what you are saying. YOU CANT BE TOLERANT. THEY WILL MAKE YOU SUBMIT. How can you not see the constradiction there? "You will not be able to promote your liberal ideas, because Islamo Facists are not liberals; they are Fundamentalists." [Like the aforementioned fundmantalist Christians. Don't pretend that you like atheists or that you are an atheist's besst friend. You have as much respect for them as you do for Muslims.] "I for one wish to live under the laws of the United States of America, not Sharia law." [Are you sure that there is no such thing as Christian Sharia? Just saying.] "If they want to live here, they should abide" [so, "submit," eh?] "by our laws, not theirs! "We certainly couldn't move to their country and dictate what our Country's laws are. Wake up!" [I don't like taking swipes at easy targets....nah, it's all good!" hj hjhop.blogspot.com
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
        Posted On: 03/24/07 12:20:48 PMAge 61, TX
        Well, I just responded to an earlier post of yours---too soon. In it I had said you needed counseling, and an open-minded reading of the Bible. But now I need to add to that. "Stupid" can't be educated, while "ignorant" can be educated and thus changed. I can't decide which you are, stupid or ignorant, and I'm beginning to wonder if you're a Islamic (in spite of your atheist claim). Incidentally, the Christian way DOES allow anyone to do whatever they like, it's just that Christians believe if you don't follow Christ, you're not saved. They DON'T KILL YOU for that freedom of choice, though.
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  2. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/23/07 01:45:51 PMAge 54, AR
    While I appreciate your young, idealistic approach, you my dear are living in a pollyanna dreamland and need to wake up and smell the...Hate...theirs, not ours. We are and never will be nothing more than infidels to true followers of Islam and muslim teachings. It has been this way for thousands of years and as I see it and history proves it, nothing has changed. Just the tactics. They come to exploit our laws and subvert our American freedoms. When you or someone you love becomes a victim of their hate please, write again. Do we hate them? No, for that would not be the message of Christ. But we must be Wise as serpents, gentle as doves. You may bow your knee to Islamic pressure now but in the end you will have to decide if that knee will bow to Christ and His kingdom or to the kingdom of Islam, for they will surely make you choose! Read history! What hasn't been re-written is very inlightening indeed!
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    1. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/24/07 01:33:35 PMAge 19, VA
      You talk of history--big mistake. Welcome to my home field. First off--thousands of years? Islam has yet to celebrate its second millennium, being only 1400 years old (Muhammad's inspirations came in 610 i believe). SO what, you may say? the point still stands that they don't change. Unfortunately for you, Islam has changed quite a bit (though not as much as christianity, so you would have a point if you were thinking of that comparison). Anyway, Islam started out fighting for its own survival against pagan-like religions of the area it began in. It eventually stated to gain some establishment among a small community, and was sort of like the early christian church, with everyone living for everyone else who was part of the religion. After Muhammad's death, it changed again, with the sunni/shia split, and both sects spread non-violently for quite some time throughout the region. As Europe moved into the dark ages and gave up the scientific advancements of Rome, much of that knowledge was stored by Islamic scholars in Northern Africa and a little in the middle east--at this point Muslims were the most enlightened, non-dogmatic people in the western world. As the capital of Islam activities shifted to baghdad, several conservative movements became prominent, rejecting the knowledge of old just as europe began to rediscover it, although the persians did (and still do in modern day turkey) take a more progressive and less dogmatic approach to the world. Even more radical conservative muslim movements have been on the rise for the past couple of hundred years, and historians often compare the state of islam today to that of christianity from 1095-1291, the period involving the crusades. If anything, we're seeing growing pains out of islam that seem to be normal for western religions, we do not see a reason to think that the pattern of change up this point will suddenly stop with this incarnation of Islam becoming set in stone
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
        Posted On: 03/26/07 06:09:18 PMAge 54, AR
        Well you got me alright! I am not as astute as yourself in the history of Muslims. I have read portions of the Koran and no matter how "enlightened" they have been in the past they have and always will regard us as dogs and ifidels. There is absolutely zero tolerance for us. We are unclean! As for the converts to Islam and the more tolerant of their own, I have no doubt that when the time comes to choose, if their own people don't line up they will not hesitate for a moment to end their lives. Up until then they will gladly use them for their purposes. Read the book Inside Islam by Reza Safa. He was a devout Muslim until he found Jesus. Read the exerpt and cover at Amazon.com and then buy a copy. I saw this man many times when I was living in Tulsa OK. Saw him speak at a church and found him a humble man who truly loves his people. He doesn't, however, wear rose colored glasses and addresses the things some apparently don't want to hear, truth! Love has nothing to do with it, truth is hard. Jesus is our finest example of that. He said and did some pretty hard things but always loved as His Father did.
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        1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
          Posted On: 03/27/07 09:58:40 PMAge 19, VA
          The problem is the generalization of a billion and a half people. Just as not every christian respects the worldly church authority of hte pope, not every muslim will blindly go along with various muslim leaders should they call all muslims to violence. The second issue is the idea that we should keep all muslims at arms length for the united states. something can be said for immigrants learning how to live in american culture--something must also be said for tolerating that completely 'going native' for a muslim would be a loss for both the muslims identity and for The American culture. Muslims aren't changing laws to favor them at the oppression of others in Minnesota, and they aren't appearing in invasion-style numbers. There is no reason to begin persecuting muslims simply because we fear that they're trying to take over our states. It's important to recognize that there are extreme elements in the muslim world today--But this is so for most modern movements, and has little to no bearing on how we should treat the individuals who come to our country.
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  3. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/23/07 09:08:38 AMAge 51, PA
    To respond to the 19-year-old's comment that Muslims are just like the rest of us, that is not true. In fact, it is very clearly not true. That's why they are Muslims. They don't want to be like the rest of us, i.e. non-Muslim. It is their clearly and repeatedly stated goal from their own religious leaders that they will take over not only the US, but the entire world, and submit (which is what the word "Islam" literally means) it to Allah, the Koran, and Sharia law. My friend, please listen to me: Muslims are not like the rest of us non-Muslims. That's why they call themselves Muslims. They want us to be like them. I for one, am not willing to convert.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/23/07 03:25:27 PMAge 19, VA
      my point wasn't that people are literally the same people, that would be an awful world to live in. I shudder at the thought of walking into a room where everyone is like me. Yes, some muslims wish to take over the world, or undermine the US, or have the law reflect their beliefs. Not every muslim is this way however, in fact, just like the majority of christians, the majority of muslims do not think it is their mission to overtake the world or to impose their views through the force of law. Christians bombed the olympics in salt lake city, or if we want to go farther back, started the KKK, but do we see calls to export the christians from among us? of course not. A few hateful nutjobs will exist no matter what the foundation of the group, but that does in no way invalidate the belief itself or turn the world into an Us vs. them situation. in fact, we need to be so careful that we avoid an us vs. them world, that we make laws that respect all viewpoints and remain neutral but lenient when it comes to things like not wanting to handle pork
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    2. Re: Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
      Posted On: 03/23/07 03:25:15 PMAge 19, VA
      my point wasn't that people are literally the same people, that would be an awful world to live in. I shudder at the thought of walking into a room where everyone is like me. Yes, some muslims wish to take over the world, or undermine the US, or have the law reflect their beliefs. Not every muslim is this way however, in fact, just like the majority of christians, the majority of muslims do not think it is their mission to overtake the world or to impose their views through the force of law. Christians bombed the olympics in salt lake city, or if we want to go farther back, started the KKK, but do we see calls to export the christians from among us? of course not. A few hateful nutjobs will exist no matter what the foundation of the group, but that does in no way invalidate the belief itself or turn the world into an Us vs. them situation. in fact, we need to be so careful that we avoid an us vs. them world, that we make laws that respect all viewpoints and remain neutral but lenient when it comes to things like not wanting to handle pork
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Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
Posted On: 03/22/07 07:08:19 PM Age 61, TX
SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING! To the 37 y. o. pastor from MN: Please read WHY I LEFT JIHAD by Ex-Muslim Terrorist, Walid Shoebat, BECAUSE THEY HATE by Lebanese-born (Israeli-saved) Brigette Gabriel, ISLAM AND TERRORISM by Mark Gabriel, PH.D, former prof. of Islamic History at Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt (former tortured Islamic Imam who was tortured),or THE EVERLASTING HATRED-THE ROOTS OF JIHAD by Hal Lindsey, for starters. I appreciate your passion to reach Muslims, I have Muslim friends. But I don't want to see them dead at the hands of radical Islam, either. Our time frame to reach them for salvation is an urgent one, but so is the time frame of radical Islam. The problem is like a virus though, the more concentrated it is, the more ground you lose, and the faster you go down. Our country is badly infected now, we just aren't very symptomatic. If you read the book by Brigette Gabriel, you will see the names of cities where there are ACTIVE CELLS OF HAMAS THROUGHOUT AMERICA. I live in one, and chances are you do, too. I wrote this to the 37 yr. old pastor from MN, but decided to post it to all.
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  1. Re: Re: The Islamic Republic of Minnesota
    Posted On: 03/23/07 02:59:45 PMAge 58, MA
    Dead on!
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