Tony Campolo, Jim Walllis: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted: 02/19/2008
Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
By David A. Noebel
I have just finished reading Tony Campolo’s book Letters to a YoungEvangelical.Published by Basic Books and copyrighted by Campolo in 2006, this work gives the reader an amazing look into the mind and heart of a radical sociologist on a mission—to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.The cannon fodder for establishing this Kingdom is the poor, the wretched, the oppressed, the naked, the downtrodden, and the proletariat.The chief tool to bring about this Kingdom is “progressive politics” (3).Its Mein Kampf is Jim Wallis’ God’s Politics.Indeed, Jim Wallis is featured on the jacket of Campolo's book with this statement: “Tony Campolo is my favorite evangelist.”
Campolo's volume is a veritable love-fest among three leftwing Evangelicals—Campolo and his two partners in crime (the crime being deception): Ron Sider (Evangelicals for Social Action) and Jim Wallis (Sojourners magazine), whom he calls his "best of friends" throughout the book.All three subscribe to the same party line—liberal, leftwing, allegedly progressive, ideas that impact social, economic and political action.“I believe,” says Campolo, “that Christians should engage in efforts to change the political and economic structures of our society because these structures do not adequately address the needs of the poor and oppressed” (4, 5, 258).
The purpose of Campolo’s letters to two young evangelicals (Timothy and Junia) is to convince them that the “Religious Right” in America is their sworn enemy, and if they wish to get serious about God’s business, which is assisting the poor and oppressed to bring in the Kingdom of God, they must reject the Jerry Falwells, the James Dobsons and the Tim LaHaye’s of the conservative wing of Evangelicalism and stake their claim with the true “progressives,” namely the Sider, Wallis and Campolo camp.This camp will bring forth the Kingdom of God on earth in spite of the constant foot dragging of their non-progressive, conservative, Evangelical counterparts.
Campolo conveniently forgets to mention, or else does not know for himself, that the baggage he asks these two young, naïve evangelicals to carry with them in bringing about the Kingdom is simply a plethora of failed radical ideas and agendas that make impossible any and every effort to establish that Kingdom-- unless, of course, the Kingdom of God is a socialistic "paradise" something on the order of a Stalinist farming collective or Moscow under Brezhnev.Those horrors, and not Campolo's airy utopian dreams, are what his ideas repeatedly yield, and to where they inevitably lead.
Campolo has renamed his leftist camp “the Red-letter Christians.” (7,8) ("Red" indeed.)By this moniker Campolo means that his camp is seeking to put into practice the Sermon on the Mount, which is all in red letters in his Bible.What this name implies about the book of Acts or the letters of Paul, Peter and John is not exactly spelled out.Campolo, for example, never quotes Acts 5:1-4, probably because there the concept of private property is favorably mentioned.Campolo is, at heart, an anti-capitalist (142).So are Sider and Wallis. So are the liberation theologians.
Relative to his two young readers, Campolo’s position is summarized quite frankly and forthrightly:“There was no question in our minds that in the struggle for justice, God sides with the poor and oppressed against the strong and the powerful.For the first time, these students understood liberation theology, and they supported it—if by ‘liberation theology’ we mean the declaration that in the struggle to end injustice God sides with the poor and oppressed against their oppressors” (265.)
So much of Campolo’s book is decidedly ambiguous, one might even say it is flatly contradictory -- not simply when he talks about ethics and public policy, but even when he talks about himself.He claims to be a Fundamentalist and not to be a Fundamentalist; to be pro-life and not to be pro-life; to be anti-gay marriage and not to be anti-gay marriage; to be conservative and not to be conservative; to be anti-capitalist and not to be anti-capitalist; to be liberal and not to be liberal; to believe in universal salvation and not to believe in universal salvation; to denigrate America’s middle class values and to admit being middle class himself; to hate the rapture and not to hate the rapture; to despise dispensationalism and to really despise dispensationalism.One is reminded of Luther's exasperated assessment of Erasmus:He is a slippery eel only Christ can grab.
This litany of contradictions masquerading as profundity is merely window dressing for Campolo’s real objective—to persuade the next generation of evangelicals to jump on the Wallis-Sider-Campolo bandwagon and to get serious about furthering the Kingdom of God via leftwing, radicalpolitics.This is the heart of the matter.This is the heart of Campolo’s book.
Campolo reveals his leftism when he openly advocates “liberation theology” (265).But liberation theology has been the gateway constructed by leftwing theologians like Moltmann, Bloch, Freire, Metz, Gutierrez, Bonino, Schaull, Lehmann, Alves, Assmann, and Miranda to bring Christians straight into the Marxist socialist revolution, as if Marx or Marxists really cared about the poor and oppressed, or ever succeeded in elevating them from poverty.
In point of fact, of course, the Marxists, their leftwing theologians, their apologists, and their socialist hangers-on created more poor and more oppressed than the world has ever witnessed throughout its entire existence.(This is not to mention that communism oppressed and persecuted Christians by the millions!) Yet Campolo and his leftwing fellow travelers never once even mutter these shocking historical facts.They don’t admit what Jose Miguez-Bonino admitted:Liberation theology “can help overcome religious opposition to communism.”
For those young evangelicals who need to read up on this point, we suggest an afternoon with The Black Book onCommunism published by Harvard University Press, a book Campolo does not mention.In fact, given that his Red-letter crowd played such an important historical role in fooling American Christians about the true nature of communism, while at the same time insisting that being anti-communist was sinful and that anti-communists were somehow “forces of darkness,” I wonder if either he or they ever read that important book.
They seem actually to believe that anti-communists were more to be feared than the communists themselves -- in spite of the fact that communists were slaughtering tens of millions of human beings worldwide.Mao alone slaughtered 70 million Chinese! Stalin slaughtered even more human beings! (See R. J. Rummel’s Death ByGovernment)And Campolo selectively forgot to mention the fact that Wallis conducted a “prayer” meeting following the death of Leonid Brezhnev and “asked forgiveness for anticommunism” and opined, “if we could not call Brezhnev a peacemaker, we could at least recognize him as a moderate man, a man open to reason.”
To get a handle on what is really before us, and to see exactly where Tony Campolo is going, we must go back to the summer of 1989 and to the publication of a twenty-eight-page document entitled “The Road to Damascus.”This publication was distributed in the United States primarily through the efforts of Jim Wallis and his Sojourners organization in Washington, D.C.The purpose of the document was to enlist Christians to help Marxist/Leninist efforts to consolidate Leftwing governments in at least seven nations.All signers of the document were Leftists from these nations—the Philippines, South Korea, Namibia, South Africa, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Guatemala.
The thrust of the document was to paint communism as the true representative of a Christian theology that “sides with the poor and oppressed” and to condemn Christians who side with the rich and oppressors of the poor.The “good people” in this struggle are the proponents of liberation theology, while the bad people are the Christians who oppose Christian Marxism.To make certain that the point is not missed the document identifies anti-communist evangelicals as “members of the forces of darkness.”Good Christians are portrayed as pro-communist while anti-communists are Neanderthal, non-progressive, conservatives.
Lest you think that this is just ancient history, I direct your attention to the National Association of Evangelicals Toward AnEvangelicalPublic Policy, published by Baker Books (2005) and copyrighted by Ron Sider and Diane Knippers.Its first chapter, entitled “Seeking a Place", makes it very clear that anti-communism “was largely an exercise of destruction” and that Jim Wallis of Sojourners is where the true Christian action consists.And this despite the fact that Wallis was pro-Viet Cong during the Vietnam War.Wallis actually referred to those seeking to escape from the ravages of communist Vietnam after the war as persons bent on feeding “their consumer habits in other lands.”Wallis’ response to the Cambodian Communists’ slaughter of two million men, women, and children was to deny the bloodbath.Compassion for the poor and oppressed brought on by communism does not enter into the leftist playbook.Leftists have compassion for the poor and oppressed only when they can, however implausibly, blame capitalist America.Shame on the NAE!
According to Wallis, “As more Christians become influenced by liberation theology, finding themselves increasingly rejecting the values and institutions of capitalism, they will also be drawn to the Marxist analysis and praxis that is so central to the movement.”
Tony Campolo does not quote Wallis on this point because he knows that if he were to do so the contest for the two young evangelicals would be over in a heartbeat.Communism and socialism produced the poor, the wretched and oppressed of the 20th century; not America!In truth, America was one of the major liberating factors of the 20th century, liberating millions from the chains of Fascism, Nazism and Communism.But America's role as the world's greatest liberator of the poor and oppressed is not trumpeted in the writings of Campolo, Sider or Wallis.Rather, Campolo refers to America as a “whoring” Babylonian entity (226, 227)!
Campolo happily instructs his two young evangelicals that Stalinist Fidel Castro “readily testifies that his revolutionary ideas came from his childhood training in Jesuit schools” (76).Campolo likes the Jesuits (30, 31), and seems to want more of their revolutionary schools in the U.S.He fails to tell his two prospective recruits how Wallis and his Sojourners magazine have consistently fronted for Communist Cuba. “Sojourners magazine,” said Lloyd Billingsley, “may be the last devotee of this [Castro] regime in the entire Western world.”Campolo's "Red-letter" sojourners view the world through a Marxist lens, and all they can see is that “its America’s fault!”To them, there would be no poverty in Central or South America if it weren’t for the greedy, capitalist Christians in North America.“The religious left,” says Billingsley, “makes a point of defending Third World Marxist regimes and attacking the United States and Western Europe.”
Campolo's young targets need to read Salvador Mendieta’s The Sickness of CentralAmerica, published in 1912 wherein they will discover the unvarnished truth of the matter.Mendieta's thesis is that the poverty of his Nicaragua was present long before the first North American ever set foot in Central America.Central and South America’s poverty is not America’s fault, but rather the fault of a number of factors—statism being a major contributor, along with immorality and deception.Octavio Paz, put it like this, “We lie for pleasure…The lie has a decisive importance in our everyday life…The political lie has gotten imbedded in our countries almost constitutionally…We move in the lie with naturalness.”
To his credit, Campolo wants to help the poor.To his credit again, he admits that Christians on the Religious Right also want to help the poor. (4) Indeed, he admits that when it comes to “social ministries those on the Religious Right excel in financial support and volunteerism” (4).But he wants the U.S. government to further tax America’s rich and give these confiscated proceeds to the poor (140).He doesn’t say how this should best be done, and he doesn’t seem to know that so much of these monies end up in Swiss banks or in the pockets of highly paid government administrators.Approximately 75% of all monies allocated to fight poverty ends up feeding the huge bureaucracy set up to fight poverty.It isn’t that the U.S. government hasn’t spent enough money; it’s that the money has been spent counterproductively.Ronald Nash and Thomas Sowell insist that we could raise every poor person in the U.S. out of poverty in one week and reduce the budget for the programs by 75 percent simply by eliminating the huge bureaucracy that stands between the poor and the federal treasury.
Put plainly, helping the poor is more than a transfer of North American monies to South American slums!Campolo (and plenty of conservative Christian young people would join him) needs to go into these slums with the Bible, the Christian gospel, Christian morality, Christian education, business skills (capitalism and its respect for work, private property, etc.), and then perhaps he will see results.But armed with his hand-me-down-Marxism, he never can.
Campolo needs to apologize to the Christian community for misdirecting evangelical young people into the jaws of the Jim Wallis, leftwing, pro-Marxist, pro-communist, pro-socialist propaganda machine. Sojourners magazine, along with Wallis’ association with Richard Barnet and Marcus Raskin’s Institute of Policy Studies, has been a steady mouthpiece for Soviet-style politics for years.
Richard Barnet was a contributing editor of Sojourners.In a detailed Accuracy in Media Research Report dated May 1983, Joan M. Harris lists over 50 topics (e.g., Christianity, anti-communism, Liberation Theology, Socialism, Revolution etc.) affecting the Soviet Union and its drive for world domination.On every issue Sojourners magazine and the Institute of Policy Studies sided with the Communist cause. There were no exceptions.Harris concludes with two telling thoughts:“Not one Marxist-Leninist country has ever been criticized by Sojourners for human rights violations, for repression or torture;” and “To reach the Charismatic/Evangelical movement and turn it in the opposite direction in the 1980s, into the Marxist line, is clearly the purpose of Sojourners.”This should have been no surprise because: (a) one of IPS’s directors for its international branch was “a paid Cuban agent,” and (b) IPS was heavily funded by the Samuel Rubin Foundation, and Rubin was a member of the Communist Party.
Brian Crozier, of the London Institute for the Study of Conflict, wrote as far back as 1979 that the IPS was “the perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities.”Wallis certainly knew this and Campolo should have known it.If Campolo did not know what Wallis and the IPS were up to, he should not be writing books luring evangelical young people into that kind of subversion.His efforts are ignorant, evil, or both.
Tellingly, Campolo closes his book with the story of a young “former Evangelical Christian” (260).According to Campolo, this young lady committed her life to “social-justice causes.”She sided with the “leftist radicals” (261) and in the process became a “former Evangelical Christian.”
She was led into the leftwing, revolutionary abyss, thinking that fighting poverty by blaming America, fighting poverty by blaming conservative Christians, fighting poverty by pro-communist revolutionary methods (like killing the landlord and placing everyone on state farms) was the wave of the future and the proper battle plan to erase poverty and oppression, thus establishing the socialistic Kingdom of God.She never realized that to combat social evil one’s greatest weapon is the gospel of Jesus Christ, which gives human beings dignity as created in the image of God, and which gives us truth, morality and purpose in life.She knew nothing about what lifts humanity out of poverty.She knew only -- or thought she knew -- that poverty was America’s fault because her leftist, radical, communist mentors told her so, and that lie was reinforced by the likes of Tony Campolo, Ron Sider and Jim Wallis.Shame on all three!When Tony says, “I myself claim no special handle on truth” (146), one can only nod consent.
Capitalism (the free and peaceful exchange of goods and services) has done more to abolish poverty in the world than all the leftwing, socialist schemes combined.None of this is found in Letters to a YoungEvangelical.Therefore, let me closewith an assignment for Timothy andJunia.After reading Campolo's book carefully, please spend an equal amount of time withP. T. Bauer, Equality, the Third World and Economics; Michael Novak, The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism; Ronald Nash, Poverty and Wealth: The Christian Debate Over Capitalism; Robert Conquest, The Great Terror; Lloyd Billingsley, The Generation That Knew Not Josef:A Critique of Marxism and the Religious Left; George Gilder, Wealth and Poverty, Theodore Dalrymple, Life at the Bottom:The Worldview That Makes the Underclass, and Michael Bauman, Morality and the Marketplace.
After such reading, I guarantee that few young evangelicals will join the Sandinistas in Nicaragua or Wallis’ Sojourner’s commune in Washington, D.C., which at one time their masthead flaunted the fact that “they held all things in common, while being allowed fifteen dollars a month spending money.”
(Editors Note:Dr. Noebel is the president of the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade, Manitou Springs, CO80829.)
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You may as well say that Campolo is lost and going to an eternity without Christ! That's clearly the implication of this article. Click here to reply to this post
Here's the truth
Posted On: 02/21/08 08:37:32 AM
Age 47, MO
One would think that Paul of all people would have been a socialist. Here was a guy who was of the elite of his time and became an evangelist. He wore out more Nike's in a week than most Americans buy in a lifetime. Yet, he didn't demand his rights, he worked day and night as an example to us (mimicing Christ who owned everthing, yet gave it all away), as a servant to all. Paul explained this as; "if we don't work, neither shall we eat". Ok, There are fundamental problems with the American capitalistic system without limits, because when this country was founded, we had internal moral limits. Our society was based upon the moral of helping our neighbor and value of human life, but it has been changed into the love of money, greed, and hording. So yes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, but socialism is not the answer. Socialism is the masses ruled by the elite, instead of a democracy, and it is foolish to advocate that. What is needed is a purpose higher than self like what occured in 9-11-01. So as long as America is spoiled, selfish life goes on. But when a major calamity happens, we remember God and our neighbor. John Click here to reply to this post
Preach the Gospel, stay out of politics!
Posted On: 02/21/08 02:22:20 AM
Age 41, ENGLAND
The "I am of Paul, I am of Apollos" scenario is condemned in scripture. Instead of aligning ourselves with political parties we need to get back to the Bible, Christ, and the cross. Preach the gospel and when I`ve got money to spare give to those less fortunate than myself.
Whether you are a dispesationalist or kingdom orientated, it makes no difference to your personal aims in Christ, does it?
Jesus first recorded words in Marks gospel are these: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." Click here to reply to this post
Wake up people!
Posted On: 02/20/08 07:49:45 AM
Age 52, FL
You people out there who believe in men like Campola better get your head out of the sand before it is too late! Men like him will side with a Socialist government and start putting anyone who opposes them in jail. If you want to see a socialist, oppressive government look no further than Cuba. Thank God Castro is dying, perhaps the people will long last have freedom. Socialist and Marxists governments don't work, anyone heard of a little thing called the Berlin Wall...it came down thanks to the great Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Click here to reply to this post
Tony Campolo, Jim Walllis: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 02/20/08 05:38:38 AM
Age 46, SOUTH AFRICA
Reading some of these comments is disheartening to say the least. Those with sympathetic proclivities towards the libralism and the gross secularism of Campolo and his ilk seem to be filled with deep animosity for conservative Bible-believers. Such is the over riding characteristic of the emerging church and its leaders.
As one who has been a missionary for 14 years in South Africa I can recount many stories of social do-gooding missionaries who spend all their time over here working to change things for the better, but they never give the gospel because they would alineate both the South African government and many of the locals, since the liberals here equate the gospel with apartheid.
One missionary here told me to keep doing what I am doing (preaching and teaching) because very few missionaries are actually preaching God's word anymore. As I remember The Great Commission in Matthew 28:18-20 it says to go into all the world and make disciples. You can't do that without teaching and preaching the word. Campolo and company have abandoned The Great Commission and replaced with fallow seeds of radical activism which can never save.
For all the self-righteous emergents who bloviate about helping the poor, I can testify first hand that after all the time, money, and effort sincere, but misled missionaries have invested in social change here in South Africa, things are actually gotten worse than before they began. When are we going to learn that God uses the foolish things to confound the wise?! Click here to reply to this post
social christians
Posted On: 02/19/08 10:15:48 PM
Age 42, FL
I'd say that the main difference between these Christians- Campolo and others- is that conservative Christians tend to look towards ourselves to aid the poor- teaching them, showing them how to help themselves along with teaching the Gospel. Many of the emergent leaders, look to others to give to the poor period. Someone made the point that studies have shown that conservative Christians give more to charitable causes than their more liberal counterparts, but it's not just about the amount given. It is the fact that we give from our hearts- whether money (and in many cases, we give even when we don't have much to give), or in time spent being with the poor. It is not the government's job to take our money and give it to others- what the Lord cares most about is our hearts. It doesn't show much when you give what's not yours to give in the first place. Well meaning as men like Tony Campolo are in wanting to help the poor- is much the same as so many in the liberal government who have good intenetions- but that will never solve the world's problems. Only Jesus can make things truely right in this world. Sure we can show the love of Christ by loving others,but that includes telling them of His love shown on the Cross. Christian business people can help by being fair to their employees- but that again,is not the government's job. You can give a million dollars to a poor person,but within a year they will be poor again- because they aren't shown and taught how to manage it, how to tithe it, how to invest it etc. Government giving teaches nothing- might as well just flush all the money (look at how so many of the recipiants of cash money meant for rent and food after Katrina was spent!) Christian charities there out gave the government and poured more tangible needs to the poor than the government can ever do. Many people are offended that Christian charities also preach the Gospel (even some liberal christians, because they see us as inclusive and offensive) yet, when you see the absolute hopelessness of victims such as those from the Tsunami a few years ago- those who lost children, and children who lost parents had no hope for something better, and no hope for ever seeing their loved ones again. To them it was just allah's will, or well, maybe allah was mad at us, or karma was against us. I'd rather give people hope for something so much better- along with a way for them to have a little better now. We'll never accomplish God's Kingdom on earth- call me naive, but isn't that why we pray the Lord's prayer- for His Will to be done on earth as it is in heaven- not our will? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 04/10/07 01:07:10 AM
Age 39, AL
Your conflation of being in favor of helping the least among us as Jesus instructs us to do with being a communist is simply ridiculous. FDR, the greatest of all American presidents IMHO was certainly no communist, but he also understood that results of laizzez faire economics (aka social Darwinism) could be just as pernicious as communism. We need labor laws that protect the health, safety, and welfare of workers. We need a higher minimum wage that allows everyone who works in our rich society to at least be able to make ends meet so that their children don't have to go to bed hungry. We need environmental laws that protect God's beautiful creation while ensuring that corporations don't poison our children in order to make a little bit of a higher profit for their shareholders. We also need a safety net for those who have fallen on hard times and those who can not help themselves. Advocating for these things does not make me a communist!
The vast majority of progressives in this country aren't advocating that all private property be confescated. Most progressives in this country are trying to prevent the destruction of what made this nation great, it's large middle class. Unfortunately, as corporations continue to obtain more legal rights and average folks continue to lose legal rights, the CEO's and major shareholders (i.e. those who own a large stake in the corporation and know when the stock is about to tank so that they can bail out like Ken Lay, Martha Stewart, ect.)are making out like bandits while the rest of us are dealing with stagnant wages and an ever increasing cost of living. There is nothing communistic about requiring employers to treat their employees fairly and to refrain from passing their costs of doing business (by polluting or by not paying for employee health insurance and relying the government to do so) to the taxpayer. Click here to reply to this post
Article critics are blind to leftist fallacies and failures
Posted On: 02/19/08 10:17:15 PM
Age 43, AUSTRALIA
FDR the greatest of all presidents? Read "FDR's Folly" by Jim Powell: while other recessions were over in a year or two, FDR's constant interference in the economy prolongued the depression for years. His constant rule changing made businesses reluctant to reinvest, so jobs disappeared. And there were horrifying cases where FDR's goons destroyed crops to keep prices high, while people were starving.
And this correspondent doesn't realise that the real minimum wage is ZERO. When government decrees that people are not allowed to work below a certain arbitray figure, then they simply won't be employed if their productivity is not worth as much as the wage. So they lose out on valuable work experience that would help them become more productive and able to justify higher wages. Because of these laws, teenagers can't work as gas service station attendants (which are now "self-service") or theatre ushers (right, patrons really love stumbling in the dark).
Leftists are just blind to the fact that capitalist countries are the most prosperous and free. Why was the Berlin wall built? To stop people escaping into the Communist East? Where are the Americans fleeing into Cuba?
And the poor are getting richer too: now most poor people can afford a car, DVD player, colour TV, microwave -- real wealth unimaginable only a few decades ago. And it is thanks to capitalist profit-driven innovations that many goods are available to so many. Indeed, capitalist businessmen can get rich only if they supply what many people want at a price that they can afford. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 03/04/07 10:43:15 PM
Age 55, FL
We do need to do something about the poor and the oppressed. We need to do what the Bible says to do James 2:14-14 tWhat does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 uIf a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and vone of you says to them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Jas 2:14). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
Isaiah 58:6-10 6 Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To hloose the bonds of wickedness,
iTo undo the 3heavy burdens,
jTo let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
7 Is it not kto share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are 4cast out;
lWhen you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from myour own flesh?
8 nThen your light shall break forth like the morning,
Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
oThe glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, Here I am.
If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The 5pointing of the finger, and pspeaking wickedness,
10 If you extend your soul to the hungry
And satisfy the afflicted soul,
Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,
And your 6darkness shall be as the noonday.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Is 58:6). Nashville: Thomas Nelson. Yes we are to preach the Gospel but we also have to help those who are in need. We are a blessed nation but we are too busy pointing fingers. If you want to point fingers, how about Sky Angel, a Christian Satellite Station that brag how christian they are and yet they allow wicked things to be shown such as cursing, GOD'S NAME in vain, a show that designs according to the Zodiac, an abomination to GOD, and paranormal programs. Though I and others have complained about it they do nothing about it because of lukewarm christans that like these programs. Take action with them before you start criticising Christians that want to take action to help the poor and the oppressed. We also want to tell the unsaved how to live and yet the majority of us don't want to be loving examples to them. They need to be reached and we need to share and show the Gospel of YESHUA HAMASHIAC. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 03/04/07 06:28:39 PM
Age 31, MA
Saddening. Disgusting. Uninformed. Unbiblical. Myopic. This article does nothing other than simply exhibit the all-to-familiar demonization and mystification that parades as editorializing in carnaval of fundementalist America. A consistent application of this guys argument stigmatizes the early church itself. Here is a couple of facts for all us good godly Americans to chew on:
1) there is a long tradition of critism of Stalinism and orthodox Marxism within the socialist tradition itself.
2) Socialist see their ideas as an extension of, and a practice, of democracy. Social democracy is an entirely other animal than Stalinism, or any other dictatorial regime (include G.W. Bush and the Corperatocracy called the USA).
3) The state capitalism we currently function under is as imperialist and violent as Soviet Marxism to those in the third world. I challenge you to read the dissent, read independent media, get a global perspective!
Thank God for people like Wallis, Sider, and Campollo, who actually take the gospel seriously. This guy is demonizing people who are trying to live the faith, instead of shouting slogans in those incestuous slums that used to be called church.
The rhetorical strategy this guy employs associating socially minded Evangelicals with Mein Kampf, and other obvious non-sense is despicable, not scholarly or fair and generally uninformed about the actual content of Campolloss beliefs, let alone the Nazis. If he were, he would probably find the current Constantian imperial theocracy is far closer to fascism than left Evangelicalism thats concerned with the poor. Go read your Bible! The measure of true religion: that you attend the widow and orphans. Hypocrites! You espouse a form of godliness but deny its power. Repent! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 04/11/07 01:01:27 PM
Age 26, NJ
I haven't read Campolo's book, but I find most of Dr. Noebel's to be woefully misguided, if not misleading. I've just looked up Acts 5:1-4, which he cites as supporting private property. Are we reading the same passage? Peter chastises the guy for being greedy and deceitful in holding back a portion of his property. Noebel's dismissive "as if Marx and Marxists ever really cared about the poor and oppressed" is both offensive and ludicrous. Marx literally risked his life helping the oppressed workers in the 1848 revolutions. Engels spent an awful lot of time researching and writing a book documenting the horrid living and working conditions of the English working class, but I guess, to Noebel, that doesn't count as caring. I don't claim that any ideology "owns" Jesus Christ or that we lend uncritical support (or, in some cases, any) support to any and every leftist regime. Nevertheless, I'm proud to be a Christian Marxist. Noebel is himself claiming, in essence, that the right-wing evangelicals "own" Christ and Christianity. Fortunately, he and his ilk don't have the power to stop us. Click here to reply to this post
Um, Dr. Noebel is not against helping the poor, the downtrodden, etc. That is why Christians are to be be willing to share and help (note that this is not the GOVERNMENT, but the church and the individuals helping out) Dr. Noebel did define capitalism (look towards the bottom of the article). Incidentally, a recent book came out that stated basically that the religious (Christian) people (particularily the 'conservative' part) give more money to the poor by an large factor compared to so-called "irreligious" people. The is despite the fact that the religious people make less money on average than their counterparts. The other problem with Campolo (not really addressed in this article) is his promotion of "Open-Theism"; which basically denies that God is all-powerful, all-knowing etc. Please understand that socialism (govt. controlling the economy and redistributing wealth) is not the same thing as charity/sharing. Charity/sharing is something that is done voluntarily, socialism is not done voluntarily. If the church is helping the poor, that's great, because in addition to physical needs, spiritual needs can also be provided. The govt. cannot supply this. Anyway, have a great day and God Bless!! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
Posted On: 03/02/07 09:48:12 PM
Age 47, CA
Excellent article but also heartbreaking. How many people will be lead astray from the pure and peaceable Word of God by Campolo and others like him? Click here to reply to this post