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They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks



Posted: 02/28/2007

They found the casket of Jesus

45 Pithy Comebacks

 

  1. Explain to me why a poor family from Bethlehem would be buried in a middle class grave in Jerusalem.
  2. Mary, Jesus and Joseph were the most popular names in Israel at this time.  That is why the Jewish archaeologists who first discovered these caskets in 1980 NEVER claimed these belonged to the family of Jesus.  The odds are too preposterous.
  3. Israeli archaeologist Joel Rosenberg believes this new film is nonsense.
  4. So does Jewish archaeologist Amos Kloner.
  5. There is no credible evidence that Jesus was ever married.  The only possible reference to Jesus being married is in a 14th century manuscript (Acts of Phillip) that nobody deems credible.
  6. There is no evidence that Jesus had children.
  7. They claim they have proof that Jesus had a baby.  We can’t even determine the father of Anna Nicole Smith’s baby. (Jay Leno)
  8. As there is no credible evidence that Jesus was married with children, this discovery does not prove that Jesus was married; it proves that these caskets don’t belong to Jesus.  If Jesus was not married to Mary, this whole theory collapses.
  9. If Jesus had a wife and children, wouldn’t Jesus have told John to only take care of His mother when He was on the cross?
  10. Jesus son of Joseph is hardly legible.
  11. Professor Stephen Pfann in Jerusalem believes the name “Jesus” should actually be interpreted “Hanun.”
  12.  For such an esteemed Rabbi, the family sure did a sloppy job of inscribing His name on the casket.
  13. Jesus is never referred to as “The son of Joseph” in early Christian witness.  That is the inscription on the casket.
  14. If you were going to hide a casket, would you put it in Jerusalem and label it “Jesus”?
  15. Why did they only test the DNA of the Jesus and Miriamne casket and not the caskets of the others? Because if they discovered that the DNA didn’t match, their story would crumble.  
  16. The scientist who did the limited DNA testing said, “Don’t be deceived by the media.  This type of DNA testing cannot test every relationship.”
  17. There is no DNA baseline available to prove this was the burial box of Jesus.
  18. Miriamne e Mara is not legible, they are speculating.
  19. Miriamne e Mara is almost certainly interpreted wrong.  “Mara” is probably a contraction of Martha and is probably a second name.
  20.  Miriamne is NOT Mary Magdalene.  Mary Magdalene is not written on the casket. 
  21.  Is the Yose (Joseph) married to Maria?  Who knows?
  22.  Is Jesus married to Miriamne? Who knows?
  23. The name Miriamne is not found in any credible text.  Not one.  The only time that we can find the name Miriamne is in reference to Herod’s wife, Miriamne.
  24. Matya (they claim that is Matthew) is found on one of the caskets.  If this is Matthew, why would Jesus’ disciple be buried with him? 
  25. There is no evidence that Jesus had a brother named Matthew.
  26.  Defenders claim that if Joseph and Mary had more children than what the Bible lists, “The name Matthew is consistent with the type of name that Mary and Joseph might have named one of their children.” That is not a credible argument.
  27. They simply left Matthew out of the picture to make the statistical analysis look better.
  28.  They are doing their statistics backwards.  They start with the presupposition that this is Jesus tomb and then try to determine the odds.  You can’t do that.
  29.  If we found a gravesite today with the names John and David, John’s son (the equivalent to Jesus and Joseph) could we conclude which John this was?  How many John’s have had a wife named Mary and a child name David in the last two centuries?  Then if you knew that David was unmarried and from Los Angeles, but the tomb was found in New York, would you feel confident you had identified the right David?
  30.  Joseph’s tomb is missing.  Why?
  31.  Jesus’ half-brother Jude is missing.  Why?
  32.  Jesus’ half brother Simon is missing. Why?
  33.  Jesus sisters may be missing.  Why?
  34.  If Jesus was buried and didn’t rise from the dead, why did Jesus’ half brother, James, die preaching that Jesus rose from the dead?
  35.  Ditto for Jude.
  36.  How could the family have kept this a secret from the early church?
  37.  Wouldn’t the Romans been able to find this casket and end the dispute?
  38.  Wouldn’t the Jews happily dug up this casket to put an end to this new Jewish cult named Christianity?
  39. Trying to resolve whose caskets these are is like trying to figure who put the first dagger in Julius Caesar.
  40. While science and CSI techniques can be helpful, we don’t have a time machine to take us back to the first century.
  41. Eisegesis is when you form a conclusion and then go find the evidence for your theory.  That is what they have done here.
  42. There are a thousand scenarios to explain this.  To assign ownership to Jesus is simply not reasonable. 
  43. We have films and eyewitnesses of the JFK assassination and we still can’t figure out who killed him.
  44.  If this were a civil case, it would be laughed out of court.
  45. Wow! You trust this film more than the Bible? Now that’s faith.  The Bible is a more reliable source of information than this circus of evidence. 

 

Sources: Dr. Albert Mohler (www.albertmohler.com)  Dr. James White (www.aomin.org ), Dennis Ingolfsland  (www.reclinercommentaries.com)

Nathan Busenitz (http://faithandpractice.blogspot.com/)

 

 

 

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CASKET? THERE NEVER! WAS A "JESUS"!
Posted On: 03/21/07 04:10:08 PM Age 60, FL
THERE NEVER!, NEVER!, WAS A "JESUS"! YOU ARE PROMOTING CRIME! Wake up! Stop promoting that Ponzi-like racketeering scheme that coerces children and fools into performing atrocious acts! THE MAKE-BELIEVE JESUS! After the recent discovery of Essene documents at Kimberth Qumran (Palestine) it has been proven that Jesus was the result of an artificial construction operated by falsifiers in the second century. And: Former Priest, Luigi Cascioli says "Jesus never existed" in his book, 'The Fable of Christ' He has a lawsuit pending against Catholic Hierarchy to show their proof! Signor Cascioli?s contention is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine and, therefore, "there is no basis for Christianity"! In september 2002 Cascioli sued don Enrico Righi, parrish priest of Bagnoregio (Viterbo), for abusing popular credulity and change of identity! The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has agreed to consider hearing the merits of the case. Cascioli and his renowned solicitors Giovanni Di Stefano and Domenico Marinelli will address the Strasbourg Human Rights Court. "Law is based upon respect for National and International Legislation" Di Stefano comments. The author of "The Fable of Christ" claims the priest violated laws against deception when he stated in a 2002 parish gazette "that the historic figure of Jesus was the son of Joseph and Mary (all imaginary characters and therefore historically non existing); of having the same Jesus been born in the village of Bethlehem and of having grown up in Nazareth." AND THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT! God ? Whats that? THE ORIGIN OF NATURE Beginning cannot be found but keep an ear to the ground Accept the word of a friend there's no beginning or end The origin of Nature for instance is ceaselessness! Existence! JH 8/29/06 Religion's evil bigotry has relegated all non-religious people and realists, to a lower class 'infidel' status. And, the time has arrived for all 'Secular' Organizations, and realists to seriously consider aligning under one 'banner' to fight the fight of our lives; to overcome the deadly influences of those religious fanatics who intend to overthrow our once Democratic Government and accede to domination of our society by brainwashing innocent children and fools, infecting them with the plague-like desease called "Religion" and thus branding and converting them into mezmerized, robot-like monsters, and cohorts, suborned to ever ceaseless efforts aimed at gaining total control over our way of life. J/H 2/7/2007 The worst form of child abuse is plunder of the mind! Newsweek Magazine 12/18/06,et al. "---The politics of Jesus is, naturally, a complicated thing---" (Lies!) (The above statement is ABSURD! There never existed a "Jesus Christ"!) There is no excuse for an editor of Newsweek to be so ignorant of facts about the charlatan fantasies and make-believe pretenses of religion, that works to undermine the true Democratic principles and unifying influences of our Democratic Society! To promote, propagate, profligate or publish the same pretentious and pompous falsehoods that are the evil tools used by Fallwell, Baker, Haggard, the Pope, and their ilk to brainwash, indoctrinate, brand, and subjugate innocent children and fools for the purpose of using them to gain ever more money, power, and divisive influence, is tantamount to supporting pimping, and prostitution. And because those charlatans use their evil schemes and lies to control, and enslave those misled bovine-like advocates by rendering them 'virtual' robots that do their bidding; they are criminals, and you; by supporting them, are a criminal cohort, equally guilty of the crimes they commit against humanity, those fools, and the children. And this goes for all the naive, uninformed members of your media genre!
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 03/06/07 02:07:19 PM Age 63, TX
I don't know if this will be posted or not but there are three things to consider, and they may not be popular (politically correct) with this website. I merely present them for your consideration as an objective bystander: 1. Todd's points are well-intentioned and some of them should be taken seriously -- not as flip comebacks. Yet, did anyone notice that nothing has been presented as hard evidence to prove that the Talpiot tomb is NOT the tomb of Jesus?? Everyone is just pooh-poohing Simcha's presentation which has evidence that IS compelling... may not be true and is not 100% convincing, but it IS compelling. In this same vein, has anyone read the book -- which has much more detailed info on the scientific info presented?? 2. Secondly, the symbol over the door to the tomb has been ignored as well as the 3 skulls found on the floor of the tomb -- not a Jewish burial custom (see the book for more on this). These 2 items may bear on the owners of the tomb more than what was reported... and the book is a good starting point for this. 3. Thirdly, keep in mind that the tomb was 2000 years ago OUTSIDE the city, in the hills in the countryside -- not under an apartment. It was isolated and anybody could have been buried there... Jews, Muslims, Greeks, etc -- it might even have been a Knights Templar creation used to blackmail the Church (they DID have some hold over the Church which has never been revealed... but at the risk of starting another rumor, I hasten to point out that the skulls and chevron are related to Knights Templar lore, and later Illuminati/Freemason symbols -- see the book for a beginning on this issue). As I said, I am not pushing any point of view, just an honest appraisal of what is set before us and while Simcha's 'evidence' is compelling, I am uncomfortable with why not all the facts about the tomb were presented. Anyone have any info on this?
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 03/02/07 04:15:51 PM Age 50, WV
Yes they did, some poor middle class Jew named Jesus. Now they want to show that all western doctrine is wrong in so doing they can say thatIslam is the true faith. I wonder if anyone ever took a count of how many men with the same name lead bloody rebilions prior to the Jesus christians know and the one whom the Temple rulers said not to teach in the name of. Does any of this matter? no it does not but what it does show is how desperate the other side is..
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 03/02/07 11:07:37 AM Age 50, MN
I love having some humorous responses from Todd up my sleeve. I can get my friends to think about the real truths when I get their attention. The Anna Nicole Smith line was priceless.
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 03/02/07 01:17:34 AM Age 30, BA
As a Christ follower I say: "Well done." Todd, first off...Love the show, you guys do a "swell" job! Ummm...this is the kind of stuff that people need to present an unwaverable front against those who attack our faith. People have been waiting for two thousand years for a "break-through" like this; but just like "Evolution" it too will remain a laughable theory. By the way, I had a hard time not shooting coffee out my nose when I listened to you and Tony discuss this topic, thanks for the laughs! --Jason
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 03/01/07 10:33:15 AM Age 40, WI
Having heard Todd Friel speak for years in the context of working with Way of the Master, I am sure that he meant to say on point 9: If Jesus had a wife and children, WOULD (Not include the negative:nt) Jesus have told John to only take care of His mother when He was on the cross? Speaking on Todd's behalf, the point I believe that he intended to make was that if Jesus had a family (a wife and kids), He would have also been concerned about their welfare and not just that of His mother's (see John 19:26-27). Especially since verse 25 tells us that Mary Magdalene was standing there also. It is a very valid point that I didn't want anyone to miss. Blessings to you Todd, don - editor of the Christian Courier
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Re: They found the casket of Jesus: 45 Pithy Comebacks
Posted On: 02/28/07 06:23:40 PM Age 30, WA
I look at this article as a very nice tool in defending my New Testament beliefs. Thank you for posting it! I know that people will be asking me questions about this Discovery show and I had better be able to back up my belief. These 45 points will help a lot since I don't know much about archeaology or forensics.
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