Do you know the Eleventh Commandment?Perhaps you are familiar with the first ten, but a new commandment has been added, and we should judge (oh, that word) whether it qualifies to be in the Decalogue.
Is it possible that existentialist, post-modern, humanistic influence has crept into evangelicalism and has reared its head in the form of, “Thou shalt not judge?”While we should not publicly judge other evangelicals (unless their lifestyle is careening out of control, ex. Benny Hinn), we should judge their TEACHING.
26 of the 27 New Testament books warn us about false teaching.Jesus, Paul, Peter and John thought we should expose those who twist Scripture, why shouldn’t we?
A pastor publicly posted a response and stated, “I have been in the ministry for nearly 30 years and I have watched ministers and pastors go at each other on their own individual platforms. Nothing good ever comes of it.”
I invite you to debate that statement with me.Should we publicly discuss the teaching of other evangelicals?If so, when, how and over what issues?
I invite you to respond to this article and let’s lovingly mix it up.Let’s rigorously debate whether we should pursue public dialogues over theology.
Let me get us started by making my position clear by responding to the pastor who publicly critiqued me for publicly critiquing The Purpose Driven Life.His words are in bold, followed by my response.
"I got sick and tired of their malicious criticism of Dr. Jerry Falwell."
Paul warned Timothy that rebuking should be done sternly, but with gentleness, respect and love.I agree, nasty, hateful attacks are out!
"At least, give Rick Warren the opportunity to come on to your radio show and defend his view concerning repentance and salvation."
I confess, I have not contacted Pastor Warren; however, since he has written a book for the public, I think we have ever right and, dare I say, responsibility, to publicly deal with what he has written.Besides, shouldn't his answers on radio match his statements in his book?
We have Biblical precedent for naming names and publicly addressing individuals without consent or participation: Demas (II Tim.4:10), Diotrephes (II John 9).
I am not trying to take a cheap shot here, but you didn't contact me and ask me to defend my view.And that's ok.I wrote something for public consumption, I expect public debate.
"Surely, you have better things to do with your platform than criticize someone else’s ministry."
First of all, stop calling me Surely.Second, I did not criticize his ministry, I criticized his theology.Besides, is there anything more important than debating salvation theology (Jude 3)?The entire point of my article is that we must have agreement on this essential doctrine.We can zestily debate dipping vs. dunking, but there is no room for disagreement on salvation.If salvation doesn’t qualify as an essential doctrine, then I don’t know what does.
"This brings a disgrace to the reputation of God's Kingdom."
Did the Council of Nicea bring disgrace to the Kingdom by debating theology?The concern of early church councils was not having public discourse, their concern was heresy.Running around naked screaming, “Oprah rocks,” brings a disgrace to the Kingdom, debating salvation theology does not.After all, eternity is at stake.
I look forward to everyone's take.Just click on the little gray bar above this article and let’s figure this out…publicly.
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Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 08/30/06 02:18:12 PM
Age 37, CO
Todd,
Like you, I am a street evangelist in the tradition of the WOTM. In two years of constant street witnessing, I have found more people following the Profit Driven Life, than I have found non-believers. Acts 17:11 is very clear - even Paul's teachings were checked against Scripture to see if they held living water. Bring on the debate! I'll host it at my house! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 01/27/06 07:56:48 PM
Age 24, CA
I agree with you 100%! I even heard my favorite Bible teacher Chuck Smith say that it is an unmortared foundation. Purpose Driven Life should begin with the gospel message before you read the book. God's promises only belong to his children, therefore any un-saved people reading this book are not entitled the scriptures the promise that "all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to his purposes." Romans 8:28 Keep up the good work Todd! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/21/05 09:28:45 AM
Age 45, KS
You go, Todd, oh and please notice that I did not call you Surely! LOL
Hey we are sick of the Happy Gospel, the Seeker Friendly stuff, Walt Disney style children's church, entertaining the ranks rather than convicting them out of hell!
Hey if we become so much like the world, there won't be anything there for the seekers to seek anyway, so what is the point?
As for my and my house, we will serve Yeshua! And if that means walking out of churches that espouse Satan's watered down gospel that leads unto the gates of hell, that is what we do...and have done. We have left almost every mainstream evangelical church in Wichita, KS because of this nonsense.
Hey, when your 10 year old son tells you he is not getting fed and we need to leave a church...that is pretty serious. Did these churches ever stop to think about THOSE seekers...these little ones that they are offending and tying millstones around their necks? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 09/05/05 07:36:52 PM
Age 60, AR
Wow! This shows how each of us must think about what we read and read the entire book, or risk missing contradictions to Scripture. So many people praise "The Purpose Driven Life", including myself, but how many of us have read page 58? As we read anything we should ask the Holy Spirits wisdom and be sure that we also read God's Word, rather than rely on commentaries or other peoples writings.
Jesus came as our Savior / Redeemer, not just our Creator, in which to believe. He paid our penalty of death because of our sins. With the recent natural disasters of the tsunami in Asia, and Katrina in the South, we better get this straight and soon. Thanks for this information. Click here to reply to this post
No Retreats, No Reserves, No Regrets
Posted On: 08/02/05 01:07:02 AM
Age 46, MN
The word "GOSPEL" means "Good News". Learn it; live it; love it. God saves us from DEATH not from "Living torture in hell"!. Why don't you believe Him? Go look in your Bible! It clearly and plainly says..."The wages of sin is DEATH - not "Living in torture in hell"!. A four year old can understand this, but, not an idiot savant with multiple theology doctorates. Click here to reply to this post
Re: No Retreats, No Reserves, No Regrets
Posted On: 12/05/06 08:49:23 AM
Age 22, UK
Have you read Luke 16:19-31? The rich man who found himself in Hell was able to feel pain, to thirst and to feel remorse. He wasn't just asleep in the grave, he was in a place of "torment." If Hell is a place of knowing nothing or a reference to the grave into which we go at death, then Jesus' statements about Hell would make no sense. He said that if your eye, hand or foot causes you to sin, it would be better to remove it than to "go into Hell, where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9:43-48)" In the words of Charles Spurgeon, "What saith the Scripture? Eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord." Click here to reply to this post
Re: No Retreats, No Reserves, No Regrets
Posted On: 01/07/06 12:02:01 AM
Age 18, MI
Death in the context of eternity means complete and total separation from God. It's not death in a physical sense. It's the opposite of eternal life, spent in Heaven with God. Death is when the souls of the unrepentent go to Hell and burn for all eternity. I suggest you study your scripture, meditate, and understand. There are much deeper concepts behind simple terms. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/20/05 02:58:07 PM
Age 35, IA
Todd,
In 1786 Thomas Jefferson said in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, "...truth is great and will prevail, if left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error and has nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely contradict them." You bet this is free game for public debate. If there is any truth within the PDL it will stand up to the truth, and the truth according to Jesus (John 17:17) is that "...thy word is truth."
In my opinion we need more debate within the Christian community regarding these issues. Maybe the kind of debate is what we should decide on first. Civil, direct, and spoken in love can go a long way. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/20/05 12:12:48 PM
Age 48, AL
Todd, I appreciate your willingness to tackle this difficult subject. My own church has recently embraced this whole "SEEKER FRIENDLY" idea. Our pastor told us that we would no longer do anything on Sunday mornings that might make guests uncomfortable, like holding hands as we pray or singling out visitors so we can welcome them. But, then he said he was going to make sure he didn't use confusing language in his sermons, like "Holy Spirit". He has adopted a new plan for our church that divides church ministry into the Foryer, the Living Room and the Kitchen. Sunday morning is the Foyer where we greet guests. In the process of making sinners and guests feel comfortable, I guest all of us older Christians will starve to death from a lack of the Word being taught, and our guests will walk away without having really encountered the Church. I am deeply concerned. This is a Southern Baptist church in the heart of the Bible Belt. If this politically correct, secularly humanistic doctrine can effect us, then we are all in alot of trouble. We must put this out on the table for discussion. Christians will never grow past the point of infancy with such watered-down sermons , and my greatest concern is that we will breed a generation of counterfeit converts. Todd, this is grieving my heart, and I think, the heart of God, as well. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/20/05 11:19:47 AM
Age 65, TX
After reading the other posted feedback it is apparent that there is a wide spectrum of opinions in the Christian community on a basic doctrine (sad state of affairs). To me, this demonstrates clearly that we need more sound biblical doctrine taught in our churches today. So, your comments on Rick Warren's PDL is on-track and should be helpful to all in discussing a doctrine so basic as salvation. Thanks for your boldness to speak up and initiate dialog. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/20/05 08:48:40 AM
Age 44, IL
Scriptue says to guard against false teachers. We need to wake up as christians and realize that millions of people are being lead astray and on their way to hell.
We need to expose those who are leading so many astray remember we are going to be held accountable to a Holy and Just GOD on judgement day. We are to be that voice in the wilderness that says repent or parish.
Great article Todd. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/19/05 09:25:59 PM
Age 60+, MN
Don't mean to judge you, but you have a different Bible than I do. I use the NIV Study Bible, and I do not have Diotrephes mentioned at all in 2 John. In the NIV Study Bible Diotrephes is mentioned in a whole different book--3 John. I trust if I say you are wrong, and I'm found to be correct, you won't feel judged. Have a great day anyway! Tom Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/19/05 09:04:44 PM
Age 34, TX
1 Thessalonians 5:21 TEST all things; hold fast what is good.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to TEST and approve what God's will ishis good, pleasing and perfect will.
(emphasis mine)
It looks like we have clear orders to test (judge) everything to be able to affirm what God's will is.
I think we need more individuals making discerning, Scripturally based observations (NOT personal attacks) about positions held by those "in authority" at any level. Authors, pastors, preachers, teachers... whoever.
1 Peter 3:14-16 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened." But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with GENTLENESS AND RESPECT, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
Amen! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Thou Shall Not Judge: The Eleventh Commandment?
Posted On: 07/19/05 07:42:50 PM
Age 51, AL
And Paul says: That if you confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus (that He is Lord of your life) and believe in your heart that God the Father raised Him from the dead, you are saved. For with the heart man believes into righteouness (God's righteouness given to those who believe) and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. This is the way you are saved.(period) Demons believe in Jesus knew exactly who He was and got into a hissyfit about it; to para-phrase the time is not yet, what are You doing here.
Listening to a great preacher and teacher of the Word last night I heard about, salvation about hell about punishment about repentance of sins, about the brevety of man and the Divinity of God, about the exactness and accuracy of the Bible and of the wickedness of man's heart. He made one very powerfull comment: "if you teach the Gospel, people will get upset and be offended", we don't want to hear that, they will say. Funny that we are having such a time with judging: what we hear, what we see, what comes into our heart. Don't judge they say and the new society says the same, don't judge don't teach your outdated theology, your kids can make their on mind, we will help them. If you love Jesus, judge, if you love your family judge, if not the snake will get in. Click here to reply to this post
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