As a Christian believer, I am quite content to let the atheist believe what he or she wants. My rationale for this and other pieces on the subject of atheism is a response to the often hostile and aggressive charges made against Christianity as a system of thought.
Some time ago, I was contacted by the proprietor of some irreverently named atheist website. Apparently he took issue with a certain piece I had written months earlier regarding my conclusions about a biblical passage from Matthew chapter 6 (one can only wonder why an atheist would want to dispute about biblical exegesis). I responded to his inquiry thinking that was the end of the discussion. The next day, I got a wave of E-mails making rather disparaging remarks, which had little to do with the topic in question. Based on what I could glean from the responses, their apparent Modus Operandi , was to roast a selected individual in an attempt to solicit an angry visceral response. If that didn't work, they would bring in their "cleaner" to finish the job, as I discovered yet the following morning. Here was his "love letter."
"As an unrepentant blasphemer, you see me and those like me as damned. Goodfor you! Enjoy it, Bob. But what you need to know is that all atheists seeyou as a delusional, intellectually inferior, weak-willed, gullible suckerwho's incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality, and we laughat you because of it. I would never hire an evangelical Christian. Theybelieve in nonsense and as such can't be trusted with things of importance. If I were a customer prospect, I'd never buy a thing from you. (I wouldn'ttrust your ability to support your customers in an effective and intelligentmanner.) If I were a loan officer, I'd never put a dime in your hand. (Iwouldn't trust your ability to manage your finances or maintain a jobthrough which you could repay me.) If you were a daycare owner, I'd neverleave my child with you. (If I couldn't trust you with money, how could Ipossibly trust you with my child?) In fact, I wouldn't even trust you forthe time of day if I had to catch a plane. Your intellect, and that ofpeople like you, is sorely compromised, and I'd never allow your kind toaffect me personally in any way shape or form. If the rest of the"god-believing" world wants to trust your intellect, then good for you. You shall have their trust, their employ, their business, their money, and theirrespect. Kudos! Enjoy your delusion."
At first, since I did not recognize the author's name, I thought it was a prank that came from an adolescent child. Then I realized how it fit in with the other comments I had received from that group. Just about every survey taken to measure the religious beliefs of the U.S population concludes that 15% or less of the total population are infidels. It made me wonder how tolerant a society we would have if such people were ever in charge. It made me ask myself if this was a display of the logic and reason atheists so often claim to have cornered the market on. It gave me no reason to think that the implementation of their "enlightened" utopia would produce a better society than the one created in spite of the "rampant religious abuses" that they so bitterly condemn.
We might ask the question, how would things be different if atheists were in charge in terms of consensus? I wonder about this: what will happen to those who dissent against the prevailing zeitgeist? Will such people end up as subjects inside asylums for the criminally insane? Will they be done away with in some other fashion? Letters such as those above, though they likely represent a vitriolic minority, don't give me pause for confidence that the virtue of tolerance will be better established under the "enlightened" canopy of atheism.
What will become of scientific investigation? Early scientists saw their inquiries as a method of "thinking God's thoughts after him." Without a construct in place which binds technology to ethics, what limits on social and scientific experimentation will inform the distinctions between what can be done, versus what ought to be done? Will we see the continued incorporation of the naturalist philosophy and dogmas girding the structure of scientific inquiry? We see this scenario placed out in the current "stem-cell" debate.
Atheists often complain that people of religious faith say that you can't have morality without religion. They will go on to say that there are many "non-religious" people who are moral. Some religious people might well make such arguments, but that's not the precise indictment against atheism's perspective on morality. The point is that the atheist has no transcendent foundation for his claims of what is moral or amoral in the first place. A materialistic universe offers no unmistakable moral absolutes of right or wrong. What happens is determined by the random movement of matter in motion, or a chain of cause and effect, the source of which is often unknown.
Of course, the atheist may stipulate a morality based on some popular construct; i.e. Natural Law, Ayn Rand's Objectivism, "Do anything as long as it doesn't hurt others" (a truncated version of what is often referred to as the minimalist ethic), a preference to pleasure over pain, etc. These are merely constructs based on some individual preference. What ultimate authority confirms their truthfulness, besides the coercive power to enforce the adaptation of a particular view? The person who discovers such morality to be fiat, such as Marquis de Sade, is positioned to promote self-serving exploitation. The sadist may get pleasure from pain, the masochist may enjoy torturing and bringing about pain, but on what basis can the atheist declare these alternative perspectives to be "morally wrong" only because they differ from his selected social construct?
The same is true when it comes to the attribution of atrocity to certain systems of thought. Christianity often is accused of mass atrocities in the past. While this is a legitimate criticism, the Christian in turn can say that non-theistic worldviews acted out, caused more mayhem in the 20th century, then all the religious misdeeds throughout history. The question is not whether atheism will always cause genocide, or whether your local atheist will wake up tomorrow and become a serial axe-murderer. The real question is on what basis can the non-theist condemn such crimes and atrocities given a lack of transcendent moral authority, and his own materialistic assumptions? The atheist will protest against such attribution of atrocities, saying people such as Mao, Pot-Pot and Stalin were fanatics, but they didn't commit atrocities because they were atheists or because of a non-believing ideology. Still, they certainly had a worldview that enabled them to carry out and justify their purges.
There is yet another distinction here between atrocities in the name of God and those of the non-theist camps. As a Christian, I can stand beside the secularist and condemn the wrongs in God's name. However, I can theoretically correct these wrongs through a proper application of the Christian worldview. On the other hand, if Lenin says, "you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet," and Stalin accomplishes that mandate with his purges, how do you correct his evolutionary perspective on the sanctity (or lack thereof) of human life? Stalin acted consistent to his non-theistic, evolutionary prospective. The atheists who condemn Stalin and other mass murderers are simply borrowing from a Judeo-Christian perspective in order to condemn such acts.
How does someone with a metaphysical narrative depicting humanity as a meaningless speck on a clump of dust in a vast universe, suddenly derive the concept of human dignity when it comes to protesting the arbitrarily disposing of some of the specks?
I expect we will get some answers when we read the responses after this piece is published.
Robert E. Meyer is a staff writer for the New Media Alliance, Inc. The New Media Alliance is a non-profit (501c3) national coalition of writers, journalists and grass-roots media outlets.
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The treatment you received from the "proprietor of some irreverently named atheist website" was despicable and you have every reason to be angry about it. However, it seems to me that your anger and fear are misplaced. Rather than limiting your indictment to the proprietor, you indict his "kind", just as he indicts you and "your kind". That sounds to me like the kind of thinking that leads to racism and from what I've read in your post, I believe that you and the proprietor are both guilty of it.
I applaud your recognition that the proprietor et al "likely represent a vitriolic minority." However, this sentiment seems at odds with the better part of your post. You ask: "how would things be different if atheists were in charge in terms of consensus? ...what will happen to those who dissent against the prevailing zeitgeist? Will such people end up as subjects inside asylums for the criminally insane? Will they be done away with in some other fashion," but do you really believe that any of this could happen if the people that you are inditing _truly_ represent a "vitriolic minority"? I charge that by asking those questions in the way you asked them, you are implying that the "vitriolic minority" is representative of the majority of atheists. And by your implication, you are hoping to inspire fear of atheists in general; all because of a single email from 1 person. Click here to reply to this post
Why I can't be a Christian
Posted On: 12/07/06 01:12:55 AM
Age 20, UN
I applaud you sir for your point at the start about how we should just all respect each other regardless of our beliefs: I think that truly is noble sentiment and it's certainly been something as an Atheist I've been trying to advocate here on the CWN when I read the many articles describing how evil Muslims, Homosexuals, Atheists and the Secular are. I will answer your question: "How does someone with a metaphysical narrative depicting humanity as a meaningless speck ... suddenly derive the concept of human dignity... ?" I'll tell you: because I am a speck, you are a speck, my pizza delivery guy is a speck, we all are specks and as a speck I respect my other specks. Creatures in the animal kingdom (mostly!) don't have a lick of trouble with respecting and killing animals of their species without any religion. Social science and basic observation of human behavior (just like our animal cousins) show us morals are born from evolution, social necessity, respect and decency. If you're still not convinced, I think this great article answers your question perfectly: http://www.askanatheist.org/morals.html. Thank you sir for the open question, I eagerly await Part II - Ruben Schade (ScienceBoy). Click here to reply to this post
Don't you really mean, Why you won't be a Christian?
Posted On: 12/07/06 05:46:20 PM
Age 42, NC
Why is murder bad then? Why is stealing wrong? Why is lying wrong? Why should we respect one another? What is decent? You cannot avoid God's moral Law. God wrote His law on your heart. That is why you have guilt. Try as you may, phrase it in your terms and dress it up as higher thought, philosophy, or what ever you desire, you will only be able to re-word what God has already wrote in your heart when it comes to morality.
Exodus 20:1-17
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Click here to reply to this post
Re: I really mean, Why you shouldn't be a Christian ;)
Posted On: 12/16/06 04:49:54 AM
Age 35, GA
Nice quote! As it turns out, it's in my Bible too so all I needed was the reference rather than the text. I would have found it more helpful if you had offered your insight regarding how this quote addressed the your claim. So for now, let me address the question your asked before offering the quote: why is murder wrong.
First, we have to agree on what we mean by "bad" and "wrong". For example: is it wrong that a lion kills a deer to feed it's young? You and I (and the lions) would probably agree that it is not wrong. But the deer would not agree. How is this relevant to our current discussion? It's an illustration of how "bad" and "wrong" are relative terms.
Let's call a "cosmic" point of view that point of view that nothing we humans can do is either good or bad because we're all just as much part of nature as the lion or the deer; just a spec of dust compared to the vastness of the universe, so small we can't even imagine. From this cosmic viewpoint, nothing that happens to us or anything else on earth, really matters. We die, we no longer exist, and how we died no longer matters. It's as if we never lived, just like it was before we were born.
But we don't always judge everything from the cosmic point of view. Because we exist now, we usually view everything in relation to ourselves. The deer views the lion's attack as wrong from this point of view because deer suffer at the hand (well...paw) of lions. The lion views the same act as "good" since deer provide a vital source of food lions. Humans view the killing of other humans as wrong - it's a source of danger for us, our family members, and others for whom we care. Humans who feel a since of connection with other forms of life view killing of animals for food as wrong - those who feel less a sense of connection do not. Some people are outraged over cruelty to dogs or cows, others don't mind working in animal shelters or slaughter houses.
Like many other types animals, humans have evolved as social animals. As other social animals, we have evolved a sense of empathy. Our ability to empathize with other humans (and even animals in certain cases) gives us a sense of right and wrong. What is bad for us is "wrong". But because we feel for others also (that is, we empathize), what's bad for those we empathize with is "wrong" as well. That empathy is a genetic and environmental phenomenon rather than a God-given moral law is demonstrated by genetic studies and by statistical analysis. See http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/OldArchive/bbs.mealey.html.And humans are not the only animals who have evolved the ability to empathize. See http://www.empathogens.com/empathy/animal.html
You also asked why steeling is wrong. In light of the above argument, is it wrong for farmers to steel eggs from chickens or milk from cows? About lying: is lying always wrong? Is it wrong to tell a child that his efforts to help you are appreciated when in reality, he's just getting in your way? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Don't you really mean, Why you won't be a Christian?
Posted On: 12/07/06 11:30:48 PM
Age 20, UN
Thanks for your response; after I submitted my post I thought maybe it was a bit provocative. All I was trying to get across was not that religion is unnecessary but that morals are dictated by social necessity and eventually the common knowledge of what is right and wrong. The enviable laws of Christianity you described most Atheists, Agnostics and the secular hold in high regard as well even without religion (read the article I referenced in my first post). Buddhism (which is very compatible with my Atheist beliefs) also hold eerily similar morals valuable, as to do the Hindus, Shinto and many more. What does this say about the human condition when multiple religions and religious-free people say the same thing? Something to think about at the very least. I hope I didn't offend, I was just trying to say as humans we're all in the same boat here. Thanks again :) - ScienceBoy (Ruben Schade) Click here to reply to this post