Does God delight in women in ministry, in even ministries of apologetics and evangelism both here in America, as well as abroad? Answer: Yes!
Consider this excerpt fromSharonJames. (SharonJames and her husband, Bill, are members of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood):
Ultra conservative churches have read the Bible through the lens of the two so-called prohibition or silence texts:
“As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches…” 1 Corinthians 14:33-35
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent…”
1Timothy 2:11-14
These two texts have been used to filter out of existence the women who pray and prophesy in 1 Corinthians 11, the fact that Paul named women among his fellow-laborers, and the fact that Priscilla was used alongside her husband to teach Apollos. Reading the Bible through this lens has even prevented women ministering to women. In many churches there is little effort to put Titus 2:3-5 into practice. The minister does all of the teaching and does not train women to teach in the way commanded by Paul…Looking at the whole of Scripture through the filter of these two texts has meant that in some churches women are passive. In the late seventeenth and early eighteenth century many Baptist churches allowed no congregational singing at all, as they believed the “plain sense” of 1 Cor. 14:34 prohibited women from singing. And still today in some churches there is reticence to allow women any active role in case these prohibitions are infringed. Yet even in the most conservative churches some women have been so outstandingly gifted that their calling could not be denied. What do you do with such women? One way out of the dilemma is to send them abroad. This may be why women have outnumbered men in foreign missions. It is not that women are intrinsically more dedicated, brave, or mission-minded. But women with clear gifts in evangelism and teaching have not been given the opportunity to serve full time at home. They have gone abroad by default. And the most traditional of churches have been happy to send them and support them. The double standard involved in this would be laughable if it were not so tragic.[(Emphasis added). Source: God’s Design for Women, SharonJames, p. 82-84; Evangelical Press, 2004]
The evangelical feminists would lead us to believe that all complementarians are against women (such as myself) in ministry engaging the lost in apologetic ministries such as Lighting The Waywww.ltwinternational.org . However, there are many traditionalists who dosupport women in ministry. (I am the first traditionalist who comes to my mind, for example)!
I am not against women in ministry. I am against the spirit at work which is out to demean men, talk down to men in and out of the home, as if women are superior to men in general. I am vehemently against calling God “mother”, and I am not the least bit offended by the “patriarchal language” of the Bible. Therefore I would make a compromising evangelical feminist these days, at best.[1]
I recognize that women are depraved, just like men are depraved, and I love chivalry and consider the differences in men and women and different roles. I don’t believe there were women apostles, and I don’t believe that Jesus would have come as a female “but the females have suffered enough”, and I don’t wake up every morning living and breathing for “WOMEN”.[2] I want to live for Jesus, and there is a big difference. Ephesians 5[3] does not leave me feeling “betrayed by the church” and God, and I have never cried a river on behalf of feminism or humanism endeavors. However, only God knows the tears I have wept when the Lord has given me the privilege of feeling His hurt over sin. I don’t believe in the “New Perspective on Paul”[4], and I loathe it when women make fun of men, especially their husbands and demean men for being just being “males” publicly.
After hearing CDs and tapes from Christians for Biblical Equality www.cbeinternational.org it is safe to say that I am no “egalitarian” and was never saved to be known as an evangelical feminist, painting “traditional” women (such as myself) as weak, old-fashioned, “needy”, and even labeling them misogynistic[5]…just because we believe Adam truly was a “specifically male human” before the Fall, and, furthermore, we are hoping and praying the men will be real men today![6]
For when it comes to sin, “there is neither male nor female” (Galatians 3:28), and the women are in need of a Savior, too.
[2]See articles pertaining to teachings of evangelical feminism on “articles” page of www.ltwinternational.organd www.christianworldviewnetwork.com . “A SUFFERING FEMALE ON THE CROSS WOULD NOT CHALLENGE THE POWERS OF THIS WORLD. SHE WOULD JUST BE ONE MORE VICTIM.” -Sophia Wisdom of God or Goddess of Wisdom (tape # ACF290), by T.J. Ostrander, www.cbeinternational.org
[4] N.T. Wright is not only a published author in the CBE bookstore, but he is also a speaker and writer in their “Priscilla Papers.” www.cbeinternational.org . The books by N.T. Wright which are for sale via the CBE website are: Biblical Basis for Women's Service in the Church and Last Word: Beyond the Bible Wars to a New Understanding of the Authority of Scripture. Also see: Priscilla Papers Autumn 2006 vol. 20 no. 4 and www.lightingtheway.blogspot.com , November 13, 2006.
[5] I was called a misogynist once on my blog ( www.lightingtheway.blogspot.com )for speaking out against feminism from a feminist misunderstanding my position; it is not a public criticism of traditionalists from CBE teachers to my knowledge.
[6] Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, CBE Board of Reference member, teaches in her book Good News For Women: “Adam was not a specifically male human but was a sexually undifferentiated human... the Biblical text does not refer to Adam as male until after the woman is taken out of him... before woman was taken out of the man Adam had in himself, somehow, a capacity for both maleness and femaleness.” See also www.lightingtheway.blogspot.com, October 26, 2006.
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The world is all about elevating the status of women, from fighter pilots, to maybe Hillary for President. Why not women preachers and pastors? Elevation of women in this so-called Christian society has had a severe deleterious effect on the family and marriage. Satan loves the idea of co-equals, or a uni-sex society, it interferes with God's divine order. If marriage is destroyed, then the family is destroyed, allowing for all kinds of problems, and giving the perverted idea of homosexual marriage a foothold. Jesus set the example of a servant for all of us, and if women eschew their roles, then that attitude is simply anti-Christ. These big money women's ministries are out of order. Joyce Meyers a divorced woman, whose current husband takes a back seat to her, it's frankly bizarre. Paula White's husband generally takes a back seat to her also. I recently saw Donald Trump on her program promoting a get rich book, along with his co-author. I didn't hear the name of Jesus mentioned once. Is it all about being stylish? Or just being a success in the apostate ministry business???
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Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
Posted On: 12/07/06 09:36:12 AM
Age 62, FL
The way I understand these scriptures is that women are required to exercise silence in the general worship of the body. This is not because women are inferior to men but rather because of the punishment God laid down for man and woman after the fall in the garden. I think the two things a woman can do to bring the greatest glory to God (and are probably the hardest) is to submit and be silent. I have no problem with women preaching or teaching outside the santuary and we see many examples of this in the scripture as you so noted. In fact, there are many women that could do a much better job than most men. The whole topic comes down to one of obedience to God's word. Then too, men have greatly abused these scriptures and placed women in bondage against God's word and this is wrong. We are all called to be a priesthood of believers and commanded to "go and tell". Click here to reply to this post
Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
Posted On: 12/07/06 01:28:16 AM
Age 20, UN
Even though I am a bloke, I consider myself a Strong Femenist and I must admit I was a bit skeptical after reading your article. I think it's noble to admit women have just as much of a right to be a part of Church life as men, but unfortunately I can't help but continue to see sexism in religion. The Bible has many, many, many more examples of sexism that the ones quoted which really makes me uneasy. It's easy to see that men were responsible for the creation of religious faiths around the world; almost every prophet, messenger, God, decipal, student, and so forth are men. Women and men are equals, and this religious discrepancy is disturbing and speaks of the true reasons for the existance of religion. I'm just frankly surprised and dismayed that many women still don't see what a raw deal they're getting and yet they still revel in it. I guess absolute religious faith is a powerful drug! Thank you - ScienceBoy Click here to reply to this post
Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
Posted On: 12/06/06 11:16:10 AM
Age 28, PA
Your article seemed a little ambiguous to me. What do you actually believe the role of women in ministry is? I fully agree that women are not obeying the mandate in Titus to teach the younger women but to fufil that mandate does not require one to be a Paula White or even Kay Arthur. People learn best by seeing these principles in action not just being told about it. So the Titus mandate can best be lived out on the one on one level and in small groups of ladies in local churches. Your definition of ministry says alot about what you believe as well. There is the more general definition which is refering to all Christians who minister to others and then there is the more specific reference to people in authority and most of the time paid positions. So which one are you refering to? All Christians should minister to one another but we cannot ignore the scripture that says women are not to have authority over men. This is refering to taking positions of leadership like Pastor, Elder, Teacher (of mixed groups), or administrator (if you have power over men). There is absolutely nothing wrong with women teaching other women and children (that is when they would be praying or prophesying in the church). It is when they begin to step out of their God-given roles that "ministry" becomes an issue for women. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: A Biblical Basis for Women in Ministry
Posted On: 12/18/06 07:50:26 PM
Age 56, OR
I think you Sir have a good handle on the issue.
You can really tell the 'commie/humanist' reactions when you DARE to mention Womens' places.
It began a while ago (this mass confusion) "Did God really say..." Etc.
Look at the history of Europe. First you demasculate the male, then you over feminate to Skin-Godesses the female. Replace Mary and Child with teen models. Encourage females to be better than males, take over the family with statutes. Give the kids an 0800 number to bribe their parents with. Shower foolishly presents on the 1.8 children that is now statutary. Allow laws (statutes again) to enable Mama & Mama fertility rights and adoption rights. Promote Male "Gay-ness" in the extreme. And of course, FROWN DARKLY on large families.
Suppose a mother was having MORE than 1.8 kids, and Father was actually present in the family. Just suppose she was homeschooling them because WORKING MOTHERS MUST leave their children in the "care" of others.
Suppose the Federal School System was disbanded entirely (this IS Constitutional), and suppose families were the way the Lord intended and women did mostly (with a FEW exceptions for obvious reason) what God designed them to do... Would we need ANY of the hair-splitting debates that crop up the way they do? Adam abdicated his right and proper place. Eve was part and parcell to it. They lost the "equality" that is moaned about all the time.
It is SO CONVENIENT for the espousers of femme doctrine to subtily refute God's order by replacing it with an "economical" construct whos sole existence was to destroy what it pretended to uphold. NAMELY, THE FAMILY. No wonder Women (and men) agonise over this role-thing incessantly. We are either, a) not objecting over the killing of the unborn, or b) deliberately refusing to bare the children God would love to bless us with. Try looking up in the Bible what the Lord Jesus thinks about children!! Forget about male/female roles... ARE you doing as Instructed by the Lord?
Pure Selfishness! The whole thing. A travesty of the Lord's design. I am so glad that the Lord IS Merciful: but we will all answer to Him. You BETCHA! Click here to reply to this post
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