Contemplative Spirituality and Emergent have penetrated the SBC deeper than I had imagined. Because of my first article Phil Perkins, a brother in the SBC who teaches at a small SBC school, contacted me to share his Open Letter to Frank Page and Kent Shirley. I now republish Perkins’ Open Letter with his permission. Following it will be the response that Phil received from Dr. Frank Page.
Open Letter to Frank Page and Kent Shirley
As a Southern Baptist, active in preparing the next generation of youth to hold fast that which was once delivered to the Saints, I am dismayed to learn that you have actually embraced the Emergent/ing. They actively seek to replace that clear message once delivered with postmodern deconstruction. I beg you to reconsider.
The end result for the SBC will be like the liberal Protestant denominations. There will be no next generation, a fact I think is self-evident. Dr. Page, you have said that you welcome Emergents and their influence into the SBC. You appreciate their “contributions.”
Which ones exactly? Their derision of doctrine? Their licentious approval of sexual perversion? The introduction of Eastern Mysticism by Rob Bell to the youth? Brian McLaren’s well-known denial of the substitutionary atonement? The work of Tony Jones to introduce Contemplative Prayer to young people? Shall I continue? This is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg. We can take up the “biblical” panentheism of Mike Morrell, or the profanity of Mark Driscoll and David Sherwood, who also glorifies sodomy.
It is said that to “reach” the postmodern unbeliever, we must take on his language and way of thinking. Not being a young man, I have befriended or known drunks, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, pimps, prostitutes, and atheists. Would you apply that logic to these groups? Should I get a harem so I may effectively witness to a pimp? Get drunk for a drunk? Deny the Lord to win an atheist?
Emergents either deny the truth, deny its importance, or deny its knowability in order to communicate it well to those that think the same. You don’t see a logical (never mind biblical) problem with that? It is further said that the Emergent/ing pronounce against many of the evils in the modern Evangelical church. So do atheists, Mormons, JW’s, and Jay Leno. Shall we welcome Kingdom Halls into the SBC as long as they “support the Cooperative Program” and have “biblical methodologies” as you say? I have Mormon neighbors. Shall I give them your number?
It is also said that a new strain has emerged from the Emergent called the Emerging and they are much better. Emergent Lite. They believe in truth, they just do not know much about it or are not willing to say it much because that is offensive to postmoderns. Paul, on the other hand, counted on the power of a set of propositions he called the gospel to save. And he didn’t seem to avoid the offense of the cross. He was beaten most places he went. Remember that from the book of Acts? Are the Emergent/ing folks smarter than Paul? They’re certainly not braver. Not saying the gospel is a better way to convert others than saying it? Can potential converts simply surmise it from our pasted-on, ultra-loving smarmy face? Perhaps we can be “missional” and hint at it will we smile a lot, do good works, and read a short article by an Emergent author glorifying the latest doctrinal or behavioral aberration from Spencer Burke.
Paul demanded that believers confess Christ. Out loud. In public. As much as possible in light of these things, I want to show deference to you, Dr. Page, for two reasons. First, we are to be submissive to those in spiritual authority. Second, perhaps you were not as aware of the poisonous nature of the Emergent as I. In reference to your authority it is obligatory for an overseer to uphold the standard of truth. You have not.
Is it of no concern to you that you share in their evil work simply by letting them in? Perhaps you remember II John 10-11. “If any man comes to you, not bearing this doctrine, do not receive him into the house and do not speak to greet him. For the man speaking to greet him has fellowship in his evil works.”
Apparently it is just fine with you that John O’Keefe openly glorifies the drug culture, Communism, and homosexuality and has been able to remain an SBC pastor for some time now.* Brian McLaren’s A Generous Orthodoxy entreats us to stop telling folks about Jesus as personal savior and to stop worrying about saving folks from hell. Instead, we are to be “missional,” a term currently in vogue with mollifiers in our SBC colleges and seminaries.
In regard to the possibility of ignorance, you could be excused for not knowing of the Emergent. However, being in your position it is your business to know these things. Of all SBC-ers, you are to be the most diligent watchman on our SBC wall. You are not.
Doctrinal compromise to show exaggerated numbers may boost our reputation in many quarters, but it damns the next generation.
What do you think will come of any church or movement that takes on the doctrine of those who deny doctrine? Do you really expect that the children of those who deny that we can know truth will be able to enunciate the doctrines of their parents or even ascertain that which cannot be spoken? On what basis do you think they will build their churches in their generation? Have you forgotten that Christianity is a confessional religion? That means doctrine taken as absolute truth expressed propositionally. Am I right to assume (by outward appearance) that this problem matters little or not at all to you as long as the numbers reflect well on you during your watch? After all, your picture will remain up at SBC headquarters along with a shining record of growth, right?
Don’t be foolish. God will not allow any church to long linger while ashamed of “Me and My words.” He will be ashamed of us! Wood, hay, and stubble stack high, but burn hot. We will join the Laodiceans in God’s spittoon, later to be thrown before the stench of our disobedience becomes too vile for God to stomach. God will call real saints who will obediently bring every thought captive to His lordship. They will tread upon our dust, evangelize those whom we ignored for lack of a message, shame our cowardice with the suffering we refused to endure, and teach the doctrines we trivialized while we await our certain, final, and dreadful judgment.
Praying for your repentance, Phil Perkins.
*Recently I learned that O’Keefe is making a move. So perhaps that problem has been addressed. If so, I thank you.
Dr. Page Replies
Here is Dr. Frank Page’s response to this open letter on November 13, 2006:
Phil, Let me be as clear as I can. People love to take what I have said and apply it in broad brush application. When I encouraged the involvement of emerging churches and leaders, I was referring only to those whose message and methodologies which are biblically based. When I made that statement, I was referring to the emerging churches of which I had at that time become aware. I was referring to a group of young leaders in churches who were reaching the lost with the clear message of Christ. They are biblically sound in both message and methodology. The groups, pastors, and churches to which you refer are obviously not among the group to which I refer. I do believe that there are ways to be relevant in today’s culture without sacrificing the very clear commands of Christ.
I do not know if this helps. I hope that it does. I do not normally respond to open letters. However, in this instance, I hope that my response will make this issue very clear. I also know that I have listened to your side and that is one side of the argument. However, my statements in the above paragraph are as clear as I can make them. I stand by them. I encourage young and nontraditional leadership which is Biblically based.
In Christ,
Frank Page
Addendum
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. [1]
Due to the sensitive nature of this information which is a bit of a shock I remind the reader that I did not write this Open Letter itself. Even though I am in personal contact with Brother Phil obviously I can’t speak for him or for Dr. Page. However the following comment placed at Emergent theologian Scot McKnight’s Jesus Creed.org website the other day by Dr. Mark DeVine, Associate Professor of Christian Theology at SBC owned Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminaryis indicative of what I see Dr. Page saying:
Much that I am learning about the emerging movement attracts me. I am a Professor in a Southern Baptist Seminary and am working hard to correct D.A Carson’s highly distorted reduction of the movement... We do know that the Southern Baptist Convention is quite large. There are also many Southern Baptist pastors, mostly youngish ones, who are part of the emerging conversation. I am convinced that the SBC would benefit much from certain insights and emphases prized within the emerging movement conversation. [2]
By the way this comment also appears in full at Dr. DeVine’s own website as well. [3] Men and women, this type of thinking is a grave danger to the Body of Christ in general and to the SBC in particular. It gives evidence of the acceptance of the EmergentChurch’s main premise of being “missional,” this allegedly contextualizing of the Gospel message so that it will relate to so-called “postmoderns.” But you need to understand that postmodernism isn’t new at all. It is simply the old philosophy of relativism redefined. If you want to know what it really is then picture a know-it-all fourteen-year-old who has just been told they can’t do something. Off they storm in full pout slamming the door to their room and blasting the CD player in order to drown out the real world.
I am one who received much training through the ministry of Dr. Walter Martin (SBC) and who has also been led by the Lord to specifically study this convoluted “conversation” from its own sources throughout this past year. As a result of my research I have since labeled this Emergent rebellion against the Word of God as a neo-liberal cult. Based on much familiarity with his labor in Christ in my view Dr. Martin, who labeled their forebears “the Cult of Liberal Theology,” would also have labeled this Emergent movement as the cult of the new liberalism. For at its rotten essence it has an existential neo-orthodox (at best) approach to the Bible, it openly embraces heretical Contemplative Spirituality as a core doctrine and it has now reduced Jesus to a cause du jour with its reimagined social gospel.
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Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 12/21/06 02:05:27 PM
Age 66, AZ
I am a Southern Baptist pastor. As such, I can state that there is no denominational control over my ministry or my church. We function in an independent manner. Several years ago, while pastoring in Idaho, there was a gentleman in our church who insisted on carrying a German Bible to church and Bible study. I asked him why? He said, "Because it is an accurate translation, not flawed like the English." His agrument was well taken. The KJV is a usable translation. It was the product of an unholy king attempting to justify his unholy acts by creating an unholy church. How that translation became the only acceptable tome for us as believers is problematic!! A young woman who came to Christ during my ministry in Idaho is solving the problem by memorizing the entire Bible in Greek and Hebrew! Maybe we all should! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 12/11/06 11:13:47 AM
Age 61, MO
The emergent church is ruining the gospel of Christ. Do not offend the "seeker", is not what the Bible teaches. The Holy Spirit makes us uncomfortable in our sin, to know we need to be saved. Those in the emerging church so not know what they are saved from or to. Please stand up and be counted for the truth of Jesus Christ, which he proclaimed unashamedly, as should we.
I am so disappointed that man (ministers), are putting a large congregation as the sign of a Godly church, ahead of one that tells and stands on the truth of the Word. Truth means that their is a right and wrong. If it is not the truth then it is wrong. The Bible is the truth, lest we forget it.
I beg and pray that all Churches of the faith will return to the only true and accurate message of the Bible. Our future as a nation, as a people of God, and another generation of believers depends on it. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/29/06 10:35:51 AM
Age 35, IN
Thank you Ken Silva. You are right on the money. Emergent must be exposed and opposed no less (and probably more) than the false religions of Islam and New Age.
Pray this poisonous movement dies fast before it ruins one more soul. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 02:24:55 PM
Age 50, NC
Will NO ONE within the SBC take a stand against this post modern, Emerging church? I thank Ken for this article. He states what has seeped into congregations. As a member of a large SBC church, I have recently noted Emergent "doctrine" in the youth wing/contemporary services at my church. It has invaded through the youth area with a newly created "prayer room" with material directly from Pete Greig and his 24/7 prayer site-->>totally ecumenical lacking the message of sinners, saved by grace and faith in Jesus. The links from this small "prayer room" have led to the occult "The Order of the Mustard Seed" by Greig again, and the promotion of Vows taken, rings ordered and tattoos! Yes, this has been in a hige SBC! This is Emergent, ecumenical, along with Rob Bell, his NOOMA series, "breath prayers", neglect of Jesus as the one and only Savior. I recently attended a service of Brian McLaren's in my town here. His message was of nothing pertaining to coming to Jesus and his prayer ommitting "in Jesus' name".
As 2 Timothy 4:3 states, people WILL listen and have their ears tickled. They are embracing false teachers and false doctrine.
I have heard Emergent promoted by youth pastors, and the Nooma series IN my teen's sunday school class. I hope some here will take the time to listen to what Rob Bell's breath prayer teaching sounds like and is about. There is NOTHING in God's word, The Bible, that speaks of prayer this way, which incorporates emptying oneself!
My church is large and let me tell you, I am so appreciate for those believers as Ken Silva who lay it out on the line and speak the truth using God's word as his source.
Believers need to WAKE UP, and realize this is false doctrine. I hope Dr. Frank Page goes back to scripture to see if the doctrine of Emergent is that of the message of Jesus dying on the cross for we sinner in order to have eternal life. If it isn't, church growth, brotherhood, love and kisses, and "experience" will NOT bring people to eternity!!
I would encourage other believers to take a BIG stand against this false doctrine.
Thank you.. I continue in prayer for more eyes to open! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 10:34:04 AM
Age 24, WA
Thank you for your article and concern for the Southern Baptist Convention. I was a member of a SB church at our last military post, and saw some changes made that seemed to usher in the emergent movement. One of those changes was the acceptance of Rick Warren's 40 days of purpose drive, which always bothered me. Another was some of the materials I saw being presented at Lifeway (SBC bookstore). I had always trusted Lifeway for sound doctrinal material, but as I discovered, the lure of sales and "new" ideas brought in numerous questionable products. I, as I may guess that you are as well, am praying for a return to biblical truth in the Southern Baptist Convention and various churches affected by this infiltration. Keep on, brother. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 10:10:34 AM
Age 22, NC
As a youth pastor, having some form of relevance and understanding of where the youth are coming from is key. I may not agree with all the methodologies of the Emerging leaders, but you can not throw the proverbial "baby out with the bath water."
Growing up in the SBC I can remember how irrelevant the teachings were to my place in life. The messages, by my youth pastor, were either over my head, or didn't relate. Not because I was some second rate Christian, but because the youth pastor didn't know how to relate God's Word to me and my friends in a relevant way. And it wasn't because my youth pastor was some volunteer worker without proper Biblical training. On the contrary he was very well educated, and my senior pastor, the president of our states SBC hired him personally.
What I am saying is, you have to relate to a generation to properly disciple a generation. Some of the Emergent teachings do that very thing, relate to our generation. And regardless of what your opinion is, you can be Emerging and Biblical, in fact, for the sake of this next generation, we must. Singing hymns and listening to 45 minute speeches just don't speak to my generation as they did yours. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 11:08:54 AM
Age 51, NH
No easy way to say it youngblood but these are your own words to a man who has been in ministry longer than you have been alive, and who is also one that has personally been studying these issues from Emergent sources for over a year: "regardless of what your opinion is,..." A bit presumptuous at best because how would you know? I say this as politely as I can. That said though, therein we see some of the fruit of this Emergent rebellion against the Bible. It had a beginning and those who were there at the start were neo-orthodox at best. You show you are buying their baloney when you say: "for the sake of this next generation, we must." And then exhibiting their arrogance and straw men arguments as you continue: "Singing hymns and listening to 45 minute speeches just don't speak to my generation as they did yours." Many of these "hymns" are rooted in proper Biblical Reformed theology and that's what the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church hates. But you argue against what we don't believe, we are not saying one must only sing hymns. I am also a song writer and I don't write hymns. Nor do I do "45 minutes speches." My church meets in a home and I sit there, preach God's Word from the Bible, we often later discuess it, and they get upset when I go less than 45 minutes - they can't get enough. Incidentally three of the members are 17-18 year-olds that God led to Christ through me by doing just that. I didn't need any postmodern foolishness, anyway they're too smart and would see right through this repainted relativism. Seriously, check out this article because it talks about one of these kids and his parents: http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/11/the_consecratio.html Click here to reply to this post
Looking DOWN on the youth...
Posted On: 11/29/06 11:56:40 AM
Age 48, CO
Mister Silva,
I've read a few articles of yours now as well as some of your responses to the opinions that various people offer to your writings. I notice that when the person responding to you is of a younger age (usually in their 20's) and if they write something that appears to disagree or challenge your opinion, you seem to relish the opportunity to write in response pointing out the fact of how much older you are or how many years you have studied the Bible or been involved in ministry compared to how many years the critiquer has existed on planet earth. You use derogatory labels such as 'youngblood' I'm guessing to supposedly set these younger people in their place, which invariably seems to be at your feet looking up at you...and, sure enough, by the end of your written response you have indeed noted how 17 and 18 year-olds do just that.
This is amusing enough, but becomes outright comical when you then label or imply that your younger responder is the one who is 'presumptuous' or 'arrogant' not because of demeaning tactics he has done (that you, Mr. Silva resort to) but for no other apparent reason than he disagrees with youeither out of his own personal experience or because of the evidence he has seen in his ministry to others.
Also, check out your logic you seem to take offense when the younger responder questions your opinion evidenced by the following:
<i>regardless of what your opinion is,... A bit presumptuous at best because how would you know? </i>
but instead of dealing with the issue that the younger reader has brought up, you steer the issue back around to YOUwhether we know 100% of your mind on the matter. Give us a break. How would our younger reader (or any of us) know your opinion? We simply have to read it. Good night, its amply supplied over the internet via your website and this WW website. Instead of trying to understand or get at the essence of the issue, you now seem to split hairs whether we fully grasp your opinion or not. And I bet you probably think that if we did, then we would all be set straight on the matter, have no more questions/issues, and wouldnt dare question your opinion againwhether our reality or our experience matched up with yours or not (i.e. three teenagers sitting spellbound at your feet).
Your kind of attitude of one-up/one-down is one of the church leadership issues that the Emergent conversation is attempting to address and deal with in how they interpret Biblical passages such as I Tim. 4:12 where Paul exhorts his younger charge, Timothy (probably in his thirties), not to let anyone look down on his youth. In my ministry experience (29 years worthdoes that speak to you?) church hierarchy and leadership tends to tragically ignore the insights and ministry lessons that younger ministers have. The younger persons response to your web-posting was full of many valid and reasonable points but for some reason you choose to go this childish one-up/one-down route where it seems like your passions are getting in the way of any valid points you are trying to make.
As evidenced by the Bible as well as experience, someones age DOES matter in terms of the weight it carries when it is coupled with Godly wisdom. You may have the age, but your wisdom and spirit in dealing with those who may disagree with you and are younger than you could use an overhaul. As a note: I have been studying the Emerging movement phenom for over 9 years now (compared to your 1), but Im not expecting you to sit at my feetespecially when you find out (should you bother to ask) what my conclusions are about this movement. I am up for a dialogue thoughcan you handle that? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/29/06 10:24:04 AM
Age 22, NC
I am sorry for coming off as presumptuous, and that my age could be taken as a sign of weakness. But I won't let you look down on me because of my youth (see 1 Tim.). I have been studying this post-modern culture for 5 years now. I have a degree in Pastoral Ministry and Student Ministry from the fastest growing Christian university in America. I have done "some" research on this generation. I do not deny that the gentleman who authored this article has been in ministry longer then I have been alive, and may God bless him for his faithfulness to Christ's Bride. However, ministry tenure does not make someone an expert in ministrering to a post-modern generation or any generation that follows their own. If that were the case then the number of Evangelical Christians would not be on the decline in America. I love God's Word, and put nothing over it. But I do not believe that the methodologies of old work today. Now I know there are exceptions to the rule. The young people in your gathering are a testament to your ministries dedication to love and grace, and good for you! I would also say that your church/gathering does things differently then 95% of the Evangelical movement today because of your size. But the 90-100 students I see per month don't connect with God the same way your students do, or how I do, or how you do. All I think Dr. Page is saying is, "I see this generation of young people going to Hell, and I want to use the Bible and relevent methodologies to get them back!" And I agree with that statement wholeheartedly! Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Re: Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/29/06 12:30:18 PM
Age 51, NH
For my "older" critic, age isn't the point, you missed the mark just as well and you have more years in ministry tahn I do. My point was I'm a bit more experienced than the particular younger people who today are so quick to disrespect their elders. By the way, "youngblood" is not derogatory at all. If you were more familiar with the culture in the U.S. you would know that.
And frankly he summed the issue up very well; why look at that, I can compliment that which is worthy of being complimented, when he says as follows: "All I think Dr. Page is saying is, 'I see this generation of young people going to Hell, and I want to use the Bible and relevent methodologies to get them back!' " Dr. Page is saying that and I'm telling anyone who will listen that he is absolutely dead wrong if he - or anyone else - thinks this is what the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church is actually doing. This movement is not of God and is instead a most blatant attack on the doctrines of grace - most specifically sola Scriptura and the vicarious penal substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the Cross. You'd best see it for what it is and decide quickly which side of the fence you are on (see-Revelation 3:16). Click here to reply to this post
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Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 10:06:37 AM
Age 57, KS
I am a SBC pastor and have been a pastor for 35 years, thus experiencing a lot of issues and debates on issues. First of all, the debate is healthy. We need for people to call our attention to serious concerns about doctrine and morals. Dr. Paige should be given the benefit of the doubt as to what he meant by his statements, and I for one would take him at his word; however, I also agree with the point that as a high profile leader of our denomination, that he also has a responsibility to speak out and warn our people of departures from biblical doctrine, philosophy and morals and the dangers that are a part of the emergent church movement. Dr. Paige's passion to win the lost to Christ is commendable and sincerely appreciated, but his responsibility goes beyond that to defending the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.
Gene Dollar
Paola, KS Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 07:14:15 AM
Age 57, OH
I am a recent graduate of The Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville, and have served in SBC churches since 1970. It seems to me that some people, who should know better, are intentionally manipulating symantics in order to further their own perspective. That the Professor at Midwestern Seminary meant his comment to be taken as an inclusive embrace of all that is forthcoming from the emerging conversation, has not been clarified in what was written here. If affirmative, I fear the slide toward neo-liberalism which you predict. As for Dr. Page's comments. I think he clarified his position. Perhaps he should be more careful with his terms. And you should verify before attacking. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 01:52:14 PM
Age 36, MI
One more thought: if you want a fuller view of what Dr. Devine thinks about emergent, I think it is well summarized in this post from his web site: http://www.theologyprof.com/2006/05/emerging-yes-neck-veins-protruding.html Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 01:34:27 PM
Age 36, MI
As a graduate of Midwestern Seminary, I had the distinct privilege of sitting in Dr. Devines classes. I can assure you without a doubt that His teaching of theology was orthodox in every regard. At the same time, I can also assure you that Dr. Devine is more concerned about Biblical theology and practice than he is about ANYTHING traditional. Dr. Devine would fight to the end to oppose such foolishness as universal salvation and general ecumenicalism that is often associated with the Emergent movement. Dr. Devine would also fight to the end for the need to use language that people can understand to convey ultimate truth that they must know.
Several weeks back, I contacted Dr. Devine to ask his opinion about the emergent movement and what it entailed. Since I dont have his permission, I wont directly quote him, but in essence, he said: Check out Ed Stetzers attempt to identify three different streams which all have the label of the emerging/emergent movement. There seem to be some values/convictions that are more or less shared by virtually every group associated with emergent/missional language but these values/convictions are stylistic, NOT doctrinal. There is a large doctrinal difference between Brian McLaren and Mark Driscoll.
Based on following up some of Devines research hints, I have concluded that the problem is indeed semantic! But unlike most semantic problems where people are saying the same thing using different words, here people are saying widely different things with the same words. Some who would consider themselves emergent/missional are trying to be like Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:20-23, being all things to all people in order to save some. These people are concerned with issues of style and method, not belief and practice. Others consider themselves emergent/missional and are trying to dismiss the significance of any belief (this is what I personally heard from the speakers at the MOSAIC conference last summer). The third group goes beyond dismissing significance of belief to outright denial of essential Christian doctrine (these tend toward universal salvation, salvation through association, etc.) The first of the three groups is Biblical, with Biblical motives. The second group is a-Biblical with possibly Biblical motives. The third group is Anti-Biblical with non-Biblical motives. All three use the same description of themselves.
Rather than rant against anyone who uses the phrase emergent, lets instead educate about deceptive doctrine and anti-biblical practice. Ideally, in short order, there will be three terms that emerge that distinctly show the differences between these three groups, but the ideal does not always take place. If a group is a church of Jesus Christ that can be a biblical, new testament church, or that can be a Mormon groupthe semantics are the difference, but we do not throw away anyone who claims to be in a church of Jesus Christ, we dig deeper to find what they believe. The same care should be given to those who claim emergent/missional beliefs (as well as to scholars and others who are trying to find the limits of what is being said and believed).
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Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 06:51:57 AM
Age 56, MN
This is the sign of the times.
Discernment is nill today.
rather, go along to get along.
Mr.Page is a double minded man,he tells you one thing, but does another.
This seems to be happening every where.
What happened to sound doctrine, well what Paul said would happen, they will NOT endure it, rather the tickling of ears instead.
There is no absolutes anymore, everything is ok, no matter what it is.
PEOPLE are becoming lovers of themself, so they want to think thru their own thinking, not thru the word or the Holy Spirit, they are leaning on THEIR OWN understanding, they are wiser than GOD.
If you try to correct them, you are labeled intolerant or just that you lack the ability to understand them.
ITs the sign of the times.
Pray for those who are standing firm and strong in the word, WE WILL be persecuted, by those who are falling into deception.
LOTS are going to say LORD, LORD, its a sad sad thing. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Open Letter To Dr. Frank Page, President of the Southern Baptist Convention
Posted On: 11/28/06 06:25:37 AM
Age 63, OH
I've been reading some of the articles regarding the Emergent Church with much interest and concern. As all of us understand that a great ship on the ocean cannot be turned quickly but must be done so gradually, it also concerns me that leaders of the SBC might even consider using any methods or beliefs of the Emergent Church that would adversly affect the cause of Christ. Because Satan is in no hurry, he will take whatever time he needs to infect and spread the disease of liberal belief. Would any of us allow even a simple, single cancer cell to be introduced into our body? After all, it is only a single cell and how much harm can it do? Remember that a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Trying to make people feel good about themselves while they are infected and dieing with the disease of sin does no one any good. Click here to reply to this post
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