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Tangible Mysticism 3/3



Posted: 10/17/2006

Tangible Mysticism 3/3

 

Many people claim that techniques such as contemplative prayer, Christian yoga, or other practices enable them to experience the presence of God. I believe that these practices express humankind’s seductive desires wrestled with since before the flood – desires to directly commune with the spiritual. Since Moses, God has defined the means and methods that His people are to use to approach Him. Since Moses, God has established a mediator. In God’s system documented by Moses, men are to approach God only through the Levitical system of sacrifices. Moses’ writings revealed God’s will. God also raised up prophets that spoke to His people and called them back to obey the will of God as revealed by Moses.

 

Through Moses, God also outlawed any other means to approach Him or the spirit-world. Broadly speaking, God in Deut 18 forbad “divination,” which is any means men create to directly access the spiritual or discover something that is not known through “natural” means. The list of practices and techniques in Deuteronomy is not exhaustive. In his lust for the spiritual, humankind has invented almost unlimited techniques to “discover” the unknown. But all of these techniques are universally condemned when God states, “When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations.” Pagans do use techniques to access the spiritual, but God’s people are forbidden to use them to seek their God as we see in Deut 20.

“But you shall utterly destroy them…so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the LORD your God.”

Techniques are not neutral, and all pleasurable spiritual experiences are not the God of Moses. Spirits accessed through forbidden techniques are detestable to God.

 

With the advent of Jesus, the Great Prophet that Moses predicted, God became man and gave us the penultimate revelation of God. This man said, “I and the Father are one,” and, “who has seen Me has seen the Father.” He claimed His words were the words of the Father. This Man became the final and ultimate mediator between God and man. He offered His own blood to atone for the sins of all mankind. His unending priesthood made obsolete the Levitical priesthood just as His temple and sacrifice made obsolete the temple and sacrifice of the Levites.

 

Jesus, the ultimate mediator spoken of by Moses revealed new means to approach God. His means are as exclusive as those of Moses. Divination forbidden by Moses remains forbidden under the mediation of Jesus.

Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

“Christian divination” attempts to circumvent God’s commands and confesses an experience with a spiritual Jesus instead of the objective relationship with the physical one who is currently seated bodily in heaven.

 

This pursuit of a spiritual Jesus or a spiritual experience with God is at the heart of Christian mysticism. This pursuit is the new “divination” which refuses to approach God through the tangible and objective Man who died and was raised in cold sober history, but chooses instead to pursue experiences with a spiritual Jesus now. Mystics are trying to “bridge the gap” that God imposed when He eliminated the direct interaction of the Patriarchs to “walk with God” as Enoch did and imposed Moses as the mediator. There are even some who seek to become the “bride of Christ” through these experiences and techniques. Ultimately, they are trying to return to the time of Noah and marry spirits, seduced by the same lust for the spiritual that corrupted all but Noah and his family in that world. Jesus spoke about this time in Matthew 24:

And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Conclusion

 

Scriptures record there was a time when mysticism was tangible and men dealt with spirits through their physical bodies and 5 senses. This ability only resulted in the unimaginable evil that is recorded in Genesis 6. God addressed this evil by reducing man’s lifespan to 120 years and eliminating this direct intercourse between man and the spirit-world. Beginning with Noah’s sons, life expectancy diminished until Moses, who lived 120 years and was the last man recorded with an unbroken lineage of ancestors who all lived longer than him. Moses is the last man to commune with God the spirit face to face – it doesn’t happen any more.

 

God made Moses the mediator between Him and His people. Moses revealed God to His people, wrote down God’s covenant, and described God’s will in the Law and the promises – once for all. Moses indicated that God would continue to speak to His people through mediators He sent, the prophets, and Moses gave strict criteria to judge a true prophet from a false one. Moses also pointed to the Great Prophet whom all God’s people were commanded to listen to. In Jesus, God the spirit became man and crossed the chasm imposed between man and spirit. Jesus was fully God and fully man. In His words, death, and resurrection Jesus became the ultimate mediator, superseding Moses and offering a more perfect sacrifice and the promise of eternal life. This eternal life is because the sacrificial blood Jesus offered on behalf of sinful men; all who repent and believe in the work the man Jesus accomplished in His death receive forgiveness for their sins and escape the wrath of God that will be poured out upon all sinners.


The desire to tangibly experience the “spiritual” is just as seductive now as it was in the time of Noah. The sin of spiritual adultery was tangible in the time of Noah. Now, after the gulf was imposed between man and spirit limiting tangibility, spiritual adultery happens through mysticism. Pursuing “spiritual experiences” through mysticism is the modern equivalent to the fornication that resulted in world-wide death in the flood. God has established a mediator and means to approach Him. There is no mystical way to approach God but only through a man who spoke, died and was resurrected in cold sober history. He now is bodily in heaven waiting to return and until He does we will not see or tangibly experience Him. Those who saw and touched Him said,

 

Though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

 

Unlike Peter who saw and touched Jesus, we experience love, joy and peace as we believe the testimony of the Holy Spirit concerning the message of Jesus and His work as a man and the certain promise of eternal life.  This joy is the result of understanding and believing the objective message proven true by the resurrection – not a feeling based on a spirits or mystical experiences. 

 

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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/19/06 11:22:05 AM Age 24, WA
I think your article was written and presented a problem a lot of new Christians face. They seek out a determining factor in their faith by "experiences" and "feelings" and in that search they seek out forms of mysticism and divination that God has forbidden. I do think, however, that your statement about us never having a spiritual experience could be explained a little more. I think we can have a spiritual experience with the physical Christ, or with the Holy Spirit, but it is not at our discretion when and where. We can not go out seeking these "experiences" to make us feel better, but Jesus Christ appeared to Paul, and it was the Holy Spirit calling my name that led me to my knees in repentance. I did not seek out any spiritual experience, and you can argue that I never had the experience, but it was the Word that convicted, the Spirit that called, and the sinner that responded to Christ in repentance and faith. Other than that, very good article.
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  1. Re: Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
    Posted On: 10/19/06 12:44:53 PMAge 46, MN
    You were right and caught the meaning that I intended in stating that we do have spiritual experiences abut that we do not seek them through forbidden means. Peter went into a trance, but he was not attempting to pursue a trance to meet God. I disagree with you that we, like Paul, can now meet with the physical Jesus Christ in the flesh. I believe that when Paul spoke of who Christ had appeared to in His resurrection body he meant that he himself was the last one. 1 Cor 15 states, "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also." If Paul was not the last one, then modern apostles who claim to have seen Christ like Paul did can also write scripture as Paul did. It was Jesus in His physical body appointing Paul as His apostle that gave Paul his authority. Thus, I believe that we can have visions but they are not "certainly God."
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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/18/06 07:54:26 PM Age 19, VA
If this analysis is correct, then no one can speak for god. No preacher has ever been justified in any way beyond giving his own interpretation of text--there is no direct connection except through one who you claim is the physical form, yet no one alive has ever experienced through the senses, therefore we can't trust anything that supposedly comes strait from jesus either. So there is nothing. No spiritual world that humans can access without retribution from that spiritual world, and all religious ideas are merely shots in the dark rather tahn refined over millenia of people seeking the same thing. Oh and one more thing I found interesting. "In his lust for the spiritual, humankind has invented almost unlimited techniques to discover the unknown." Does this include science? discovering how to make fire? using the wheel for practical purposes? surely every form of progress that has been made since the begining of time was unknown and later discovered by some human technique along the way, unless it was handed down by God during the brief period when humans supposedly had direct contact with him. Does this make everything ever evil? am I condemning myself by typing on a computer, wearing manufactured clothing, in an air conditioned room, with my stomach filled with food brought about by modern harvesting methods? If what you truly believe you're own argument on this subject, you are advocating a return to the time period before the ark sailed, as it was the last time that man did not use his "invented techniques" to discover what was previously "unknown"
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  1. Re: Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
    Posted On: 10/19/06 04:58:43 AMAge 46, MN
    "In his lust for the spiritual, humankind has invented almost unlimited techniques to discover the unknown." I am speaking here only of what is unknowable beyond "general revelation." General revelation includes our tangible world and all that God has given us to explore through our 5 senses and reason. The spiritual is beyond science. We do not measure angels or demons on our oscilloscopes nor are they reproducible. People now pursue the spiritual with technology to enter altered states of consciousness - eastern meditation, yoga, drugs, etc. What they are pursuing there is not found in general revelation. Moreover, I am not at all opposed to science or the scientific method. Christianity is not based upon mysticism but objective fact found in history. Jesus was not raised a spirit but had a real tangible body. He invited Thomas to "experiment" and verify Him with his senses. John claims that he also had used his senses to verify that Jesus was not simply a spirit in 1 Jn 1. Scientific experiments are not anti-Christian. Jesus performed real miracles beyond science but they could be validated by science that they occurred. We have hope, the promise of eternal life, because men verified the claim of Jesus that He died and was raised from the dead. K Jentoft
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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/18/06 12:21:01 PM Age 50, AL
When I read about Moses and the unbelieving children of Israel, I get something totally different from those passages. I see a God who loved a people and went to alot of trouble to display His awesome presence to them. I think He wanted to speak to them face to face, but they didn't want to pay the price, death to self, to enter into that level of intimacy. Thank God that He was gracious enough to continue to try to speak to them through Moses, Joshua, the prophets - whoever was willing to get in His presence and listen to His voice. I see a God who encountered Paul in much the same way. And, what about John and his revelation? I think it is very easy to condemn something we haven't experienced ourselves and may not understand as something that isn't God. I think it is very serious when we declare in sweeping statements that someonelse's experiences are evil or demonically manipulated (my words, not yours)and that if you seek God's face in intimacy you are in deception. I fear for you, my friend. How many people may be detoured from something that God desperately longs to reveal to them as a result of what you have written?
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  1. Re: Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
    Posted On: 10/18/06 03:34:34 PMAge 46, MN
    You have the right to beleive what ever you want to believe. You state, "When I read about Moses and the unbelieving children of Israel, I get something totally different from those passages. I see a God who loved a people and went to alot of trouble to display His awesome presence to them. I think He wanted to speak to them face to face, but they didn't want to pay the price, death to self, to enter into that level of intimacy." I am saying that when God says to Moses, "They have spoken well," He really meant that the people spoke something that pleased Him. Since this time God has given humans a man as a mediator. Even now, we can ONLY approach God through the mediator of the man Jesus Christ who is bodily in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father. You ask me, "How many people may be detoured from something that God desperately longs to reveal to them as a result of what you have written?" I state that according to God in Hebrews 1:1, He has ALREADY revealed Himself to all men - they only have to repent and believe in the revelation that He has given to us in His son come in the flesh. K. Jentoft
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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/18/06 09:29:49 AM Age 49, MO
Thank you so very much for being the voice of reason and discernment in a world of confusion. So much preaching today tries to promote a mystical experience with the Lord, but here is clear biblical evidence that we all should take heed to the warnings and restrictions that God has placed upon such activity. The Word, and faith alone should be enough. God bless, and may every Christian that reads this article take heed.
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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/18/06 09:04:53 AM Age 28, TX
I have to admit, I'm a little confused. The article was well written, but I felt a little duplicitous. I guess if I didn't already have a firm belief in, well, what I believe, then I would have no idea what to think. You say that we may not come to God except through Jesus. Yet you say that Jesus is God. If Jesus is God, then you CAN come to Him dircetly. That's why the veil in the temple was torn. Christian divination attempts to circumvent Gods commands and confesses an experience with a spiritual Jesus instead of the objective relationship with the physical one who is currently seated bodily in heaven" This didn't make any sense to me either. The spiritual Jesus, so to speak, would be the Holy Spirit. The person of the Holy Spirit is the spiritual aspect of God, just as Jesus is the physical aspect of God. This Spirit dwells inside of the believer, and according to Scripture He is the comforter, He guides us and gives us power to overcome sin. It is by the Spirit of God that we are born again. Surely we can have a relationship and experiences with God's Holy Spirit. I think that having a relationship with the 'physical one who is currently seated bodily in heaven' seems much more unlikely then having a relationship with the Spirit of God. Not to say that you can't, I would never suggest that. It just, well, sounds mixed up. I'm not very good sometimes at explaining myself, but I would appreciate any clarification that can be given. Sarah in TX
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  1. Re: Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
    Posted On: 10/18/06 03:43:23 PMAge 46, MN
    Jesus is God and yet He is not the Father, but the only begotten Son. The Holy Spirit testifies to the Son and His work on the cross. I do not mean to imply that we do not have experiences. What I claim is that we approach God only through the man Jesus Christ. Jesus showed us the Father and the Holy Spirit testifies to this man - our God Jesus. The Holy Spirit is given to us a down payment of the eternal life and glorified body we will be given at the end. Our relationship with God is true and real and yet it is not "tangible" but by faith. Even though all Christians have the Holy Spirit, they do not yet see Him. Peter tells us, "though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls." We do not need more than this. K Jentoft
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
      Posted On: 10/21/06 02:10:05 AMAge 63, OH
      Mr Jentoft, I liked your article, it was very thought provoking. I think you are right that a form of witchcraft is very common in the church. However, I would like to question you on one point. You say that Jesus is not the Father. However in John 8:58; "Jesus answered, 'Before Ambraham was born I am!'" If this was before Jesus was the only begotten son, who was he before Abraham was born? Or as Jesus says in the John 14:9, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." Wasn't Jesus being truthful or didn't he understand? Awaiting your reply, your brother in Christ
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Re: Tangible Mysticism 3/3
Posted On: 10/18/06 05:24:02 AM Age 39, NC
Very well said! Thank you for this explanation of why some of these practices are so wrong. A couple times I have tripped across something in church that seemed benign enough but just didn't feel right. For instance, our church was having a worship dance class/signing class. We attended and there were little things that really didn't sit right with me (like the disco move for "Jesus") but I was reluctant drag the kids out without being able to put my finger on why this really wasn't worshipful. Then one day the teacher, who dressed very immodestly and said dispariging things about men in the church leadership, told me that the reason she loved signing is that she felt it was a way she could communicate with God on a level she couldn't attain elsewhere - a sort of "secret language". Doesn't sound soooo bad, does it? But that was the point my spirit said, "Enough!" We never went back. Thank you for giving a voice to what my spirit told me wasn't right.
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