Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 09/13/2006
Trading Liberty for Security?A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
By Robert Meyer
Since the commencement of the War on terror, we have heard various iterations of a famous statement by Ben Franklin from 1755.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
The basic assumption being promulgated by identifying with Franklin is that no tradeoffs of liberty for security are ever justified. Of course that idea is usually derived from using truncated versions of Franklin's entire quote. Notice the phrase "essential Liberty." I want to know what "essential liberty" anyone has lost via any measure to heighten security in the wake of 9-11? Perhaps people have been inconvenienced, but scarcely more than that.
Many people have voiced concerns about whether they might be having their telephone line tapped and their conversations eavesdropped upon. But is that the reality behind anything being done to monitor terrorism? When I think of "wiretapping," an image quickly pops into my mind; three electronics geeks in a plain van parked down the street. I don't see how surveillance of communications, either to or from locations of suspected terrorists qualifies as wiretapping--and domestic spying for that matter. To actually listen to all or many of the phone calls from people in the U.S., you would need virtually the entire manpower of everybody in the U.S. to monitor them. Then we would have everyone listening and nobody talking.
Accusations of Bush spying seems to be little more than political gamesmanship. Bush is constantly accused of using "fear" to gain power. This is a perfect example an old gambit, doing exactly what you accuse your nemesis of doing. Unfortunately, many staunch conservatives, fearing the belated arrival of "1984," play right into the expedient hands of political liberals, by playing the “I spy” card. Can you really place credibility in any liberal who claims to be afraid of government power, except as it attempts to curtail his/her personal moral autonomy? Liberals want increasing government involvement in every other facet of social discourse.
Notice also, that Franklin talks of "a little temporary safety." The measures we are employing are designed to avert future terrorist attacks, and have already proven successful in catching terrorists before they can cause mayhem. Is that considered "a little temporary safety?" The great pseudo-polemic up for auction to the highest bidding fool is that our founders esteemed any measures taken to promote public safety and security very little—and in fact loathed such potential intrusions.
It should then come as no surprise then, when some historical revisionists who want to offer us anecdotal evidence about abuses of presidential power, try to convince us the Abraham Lincoln wasn't really such a great statesman after all. They think that they are being clever and insightful in telling us that Lincoln was a scoundrel for suspending Habeas Corpus. But the Constitution in Section 9, Clause 2 reads...
"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”
The point is that situations to preserve public safety are seen as worthy of curtailing certain individual rights, contrary to what our loyal dissenters tell us. The founders recognized this, which is nothing more than observing the common sense principle that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. If we wanted to find a historical perspective to support this claim, we could quickly cite John Adams and the Sedition Act, or FDR's internment of ethnic Japanese during WWII. Personal freedom must never be so virtuous a pursuit that its cost is the destruction of national liberty. That is precisely where the liberal rationale will lead this nation.
Furthermore, we hear that Bush has violated the Fourth Amendment with surveillance policies. The amendment reads: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." The operant term is “unreasonable,” which implies flexibility under certain situations, a la Bush’s War Powers claim as Commander-in-Chief. You can’t fight terrorism without necessary tools. Instead we would rather genuflect to the absurdities of political correctness, wasting precious resources hounding people who are unlikely terrorists, so we can self-righteously declare that we're not "profiling" anyone.
It isn't a very a convincing scenario to assume that if Bush hadn't taken any of these security measures everything would be "peachy" in America. I can almost hear the chorus line of the liberal congressional leadership--their cat calls that "this" president has done nothing to "get tough" on terrorists--but a vote for us will remedy that. Yeah, right!
Five years after 9-11, many of us in the west still don't get it.
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Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 02:45:10 PM
Age 31, IL
Bush has no war powers. We are not at war. Unless I missed where Congress declaredd war. But I don't believe that happened. If people would follow the Constitution, things would work a lot better. It would not be "Bush's War" but "America's War". But since he was willing to go to fight without a declaration of War by Congress there are many problems, such as trials for the terrorists in Cuba, trying media for security information leaks, etc. Click here to reply to this post
We're at war everywhere
Posted On: 09/14/06 11:34:56 AM
Age 35, IL
Don't you remember...we're also at "war" [sic] with lots of abstract nouns--cancer, poverty, drugs to name just those of the past 40 years. I'm just waiting for us to round up CEO's and waterboard them at Gitmo to fight the war on poverty and seize the accounts of tabacco executives in the war on cancer. If this doesn't point out the absurdity of "fighting wars" on abstract nouns, it should at least point out that the way to fight abstract nouns is to "attack" the sources, not those affected. If we fought the war on poverty the way we're fighting the war on terror, we'd be bombing the poor. It seems to me (and as an, ostensibly, Christian website, a more appropriate topic) that the "decisive ideological struggle of the 21-st century" is against greed, not "islamo-fascism" (which simply besmirches an entire peace-loving religion to make some point, which I guess is to differentiate it from "regular fascism" in that Mussolini conceived of fascism as the state where the corporation and the government are one-and we seem to have that here and now). Those in the Middle East who take up suicidal missions see their options as limited by autocratic governments and corrupt corporations that are taking their wealth without showing them basic dignities. It is that fundamental source of animosity we need to address, not making everyone take off their shoes at the airport. That we haven't had an attack in five years, isn't a testament to illegal surveillance; for, after all, there weren't any attacks on American soil (by islamo-fascists anyway...let's not forget the Christian-fascist Timothy McVeigh or Kliebold & Harris, to name just a few) in the five years before 9/11.
If we are at "war", why don't we have a draft, rationing, or calls (for someone other than critics of the administration) to sacrifice anything something other than dissent? Click here to reply to this post
Re: We're at war everywhere
Posted On: 09/15/06 12:28:23 PM
Age 59, IL
A response to your claims would do no good. But I am praying for you, my friend... you really need it. Sadly, too many Christians confuse their theology with their ideology. Again, truly sad. Click here to reply to this post
Thanks for your prayers...and your condescension
Posted On: 10/05/06 10:38:28 AM
Age 35, IL
On what grounds do I "really need [prayers]"? How are you so clear-eyed that your ideology hasn't polluted your Christianity? And what is the subject of the "truly sad" comment?...your logic? Your refusal to engage in constructive debate and only condescension? Your self-righteous attitude? If so, then I agree. If you want to disagree, address my argument. God has given me the peace to take it. Has the Lord given you such strength? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 01:26:59 PM
Age 34, DC
Dear Mr. Meyer
The problem with most current debates is that there are so many people participating with just too little knowledge of the subject matters. If I read a passage like the one in your article:
"When I think of "wiretapping," an image quickly pops into my mind; three electronics geeks in a plain van parked down the street. I don't see how surveillance of communications, either to or from locations of suspected terrorists qualifies as wiretapping--and domestic spying for that matter. To actually listen to all or many of the phone calls from people in the U.S., you would need virtually the entire manpower of everybody in the U.S. to monitor them. Then we would have everyone listening and nobody talking."
I just have to shake my head. To believe that wiretapping is done by movie like little vans and computer geeks is just naive. I am not sure if you are aware of the invention of the computer, but wiretapping today is done completely automatic. And to monitor a million calls you don't need a million people, but rather one NSA. And while the NSA was supposed to monitor communication of non-US citizens only, the Bush administration has used the NSA to monitor US citizens, even within the US (which by the way is generally considered unconstitutionally).
Why? Because it is unreasonable. Why is it unreasonable? Because today's wiretapping technologies (unlike your 1950 scenario) can be used in broad scenarios, like tracking all calls or emails for keywords (like 9/11 or islam, or God for example). This wiretapping is done without a warrant or probable cause, which makes it unreasonable. You might just want to read about the NSA wiretapping of most of the AT&T phone traffic.
Modern technology makes wiretapping a far greater danger to civil liberties than you portray it to be, because it can actually sift through millions of calls looking for keywords, and keywords are quite easy to fool, since the bad guys will probably avoid them, while innocent people might use a word like 9/11 or bomb or islam in a completely innocent conversation about some news story or something else that happened.
Especially religious groups should fight for rights of personal liberties, freedom of speech... because governments that move to an extreme usually are limiting the participation in religious groups first, since they fear them (take a look at socialism, naziism, and any other dictator in history)
sincerely
Carsten Schmidt Click here to reply to this post
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 10:22:49 AM
Age 46, MN
Care must be used so as not to paint with a broad brush those that would use Benjamin Franklin's quote. We cannot be so myopic as to use the Iraqi incursion as the only reason for freedoms being lost.
We are on a track to one world government and in that process many liberties will be lost. I site for example the National Animal Identification System being implemented through unelected agencies, yet under the authority of the administration. Numerous enviromental agreements costing properties of individuals (ie. Clean Water Act), the Security and Prosperity Partnership, FTAA, NAFTA and numerous others.
If one were to consider the current Iraqi affairs as "weak" arguments to loss of liberty, there are many others giving strong support for loss of liberty. As Christians we need to be aware to "beware". Click here to reply to this post
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 10:15:41 AM
Age 20, MN
i think the main thing that quote has been used for is as a warning. we are in a time of heightened concern, but those who have used that quote are most likely using it to show people that we cant let government intervention in the name of 'safety' or 'patriotism' get in the way. it may be appropriate to take some extra measures at this point, but we the people need to keep it from becoming something that actually begins to trample our liberties. a great modern parable to this is the Wachoski bros. film 'V for Vendetta'. some might think it's a scathing anti-christian, anti-bush load of trash, but if you approach it with an open mind, it's easy to see that it's simply a warning to not keep quiet about how much we value freedom. lets not become what we see in that film. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 10:01:40 AM
Age 20, MN
I must raise a question, and the view i am about to bring forth is pretty radical, so please read the whole thing: What about those of us who don't care to be safe? What about those of us who don't feel like living our lives in fear so that we can feel more at ease doing what we please? Something bad happens to us??? So what!!! We do not live in a perfect world, thanks to Adam and Eve. We can't avoid every blow that comes our way. I believe this idea is very strong from a Christian perspective. Something bad happens to us...God is still in control and there with us. Something bad happens to us and we die...assuming our salvation...we go to heaven, which is much better than earth last time i checked. Therefore, we shouldn't be afraid of anything, for example "terrorists". We shouldn't waste our time taking all sorts of "safety and security" measures when we really should be looking to God for those. God will keep us as safe as we need to be. So why should we build ourselves a protective bubble when God is on our side. Why should we sacrifice liberties for a false sense of safety? Click here to reply to this post
Re: Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/14/06 11:39:46 AM
Age 59, IL
Because God created governments to protect the innocent and the helpless... and to punnish evil behavior. That is their moral obligation and their sacred duty. How you feel about your own personal safety, is just that... personal. You asked. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Trading Liberty for Security? A misuse of Benjamin Franklin
Posted On: 09/13/06 06:31:16 AM
Age 50, IN
Why is it that the "Drive by media" doesn't get this? Thanks for a different perspective on this whole situation. Click here to reply to this post