While making the rounds promoting his book Velvet Elvis: Repainting The Christian Faith (VE) EmergentChurch pastor and communicator Rob Belltold BeliefNet.com:
The Bible itself, he writes, is a book that constantly must be wrestled with and re-interpreted. He dismisses claims that “Scripture alone” will answer all questions. Bible interpretation is colored by historical context, the reader's bias and current realities, he says. The more you study the Bible, the more questions it raises.
“It is not possible to simply do what the Bible says,” Bell writes. [1]
Then in VE, after laying out a neo-orthodox understanding of some of the Biblical writers, Bell specifically says:
This is part of the problem with continually insisting that one of the absolutes of the Christian faith must be a belief that “Scripture alone” is our guide. It sounds nice but it is not true… When people say that all we need is the Bible, it is simply not true.[2]
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.[3]
Verse 8 issues a caution to beware of people who want to carry Christians into spiritual captivity (a clear reference to the heretics of Colosse). This captivation can take three forms. The first is through “philosophy and empty deceit,” by which Paul means philosophical and theological speculations that carry them beyond the warrants of revelation.
The second is “human traditions,” or rites, forms, and customs that people have made up for themselves. This is a reference to the Gnostic side of the heresy and its invented liturgies. The third is the “elements of the world,” an expression that is connected in Galatians with the transmission of Judaistic forms into Christian observance. In other words, Paul warns that when doctrine and order go beyond what is revealed, this excess reduces Christians to captivity—whether the imported teachings and customs arise from deceitful speculation, from human invention, or from Judaistic retention. [4]
The Emergent Church in general and Rob Bell in particular are perfect examples of what Dr. Bauder was just talking about. By kicking out the Bible as the final authority for their corrupt view of Christianity they are doing their best to drag the Christian Church back into the “spiritual captivity” of the apostate Roman Catholic Churchthrough their postmodern “philosophy” and the “empty deceit” of the Reformation-denying practice of Contemplative Spirituality. Bell and the EmergentChurch preach a philosophy that causes questions and doubt about how to relate to God through the text of the Bible itself while offering the empty deceit of some experience-oriented spiritual encounter with Him instead.
Without a solid Biblical foundation deceivers like Bell are then free to repaint the Christian faith into an existential spiritual journey while sowing a social gospel while reducing Jesus to a cause to live for. Growing up in a culture where pursuit of fast-paced pleasures has all but erased attention spans the EmergentChurch offers a very diverse and eclectic liturgy. And by blurring the lines of Holy Scripture we are now free to pick and choose whatever we happen to like from virtually anything that ever referred to itself as Christian.
Denigrating The Word Of God
What I have been pressing forth lately concerning the Hollow Men of the Emergent Church is beginning to sound a bit like a tape loop. There will be nothing good that is going to come in having “conversation” and dialogue with men who have already decided to pursue the faulty philosophy of postmodernism which leaves them as Christian agnostics.
Mars Hill's teaching pastor, Rob Bell, hair tousled and reddish brown, hops on stage in the center of what must have been the mall's anchor store… “This is not just the same old message with new methods,” Rob says. “We’re rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life. Legal metaphors for faith don’t deliver a way of life. We grew up in churches where people knew the nine verses why we don’t speak in tongues, but had never experienced the overwhelming presence of God…”
The Bells started questioning their assumptions about the Bible itself –“discovering the Bible as a human product,” as Rob puts it, rather than the product of divine fiat. “The Bible is still in the center for us,” Rob says, “but it’s a different kind of center. We want to embrace mystery, rather than conquer it.”
“I grew up thinking that we've figured out the Bible,” Kristen says, “that we knew what it means. Now I have no idea what most of it means. And yet I feel like life is big again–like life used to be black and white, and now it's in color”… The Bells, who flourished at evangelical institutions from Wheaton to Fuller Theological Seminary to Grand Rapids's CalvaryChurch before starting Mars Hill, were by their own account happy and successful young evangelicals. Yet that very world, as the Bells tell it, became constricting–in Kristen’s phrase, “black and white.” [5]
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.[6]
You have just read Rob Bell giving you a good explanation of the neo-orthodox view of the Bible. And in Part Two, we’ll contrast this with how Jesus Himself approached Holy Scripture.
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You might have considered excerpting a little more than you did where you stopped, in regards to Bell saying it can't be "scripture alone." You've made an unfortunate soundbite out of a bigger concept, kind of like prooftexting Bell's writing to prove your point.
Oddly, I only went out and bought and read Bell's book because you have spent so much energy here, on your blog, and at Slice, bashing every little thing. It seemed over-the-top and not quite accurate and I needed to check out what he was saying for myself. I'm actually glad I read the book and chewing on what he said in it, so I guess I ought to thank you. I do believe you paint an inaccurate picture with the way you excerpt and build your arguments.
And age and years in ministry has nothing to do with making an opinion right or more valued. Ask Timothy about that. Click here to reply to this post
Re: Rob Bell Tolls on the Bible
Posted On: 08/30/06 09:38:00 AM
Age 23, KS
Mr. Silva,
Thank you for responding to my feedback. I very much appreciate the gesture. However, you said a few things on which I would like to comment. You mentioned that you have been in ministry for about as long as I have been on this earth. I am sure that is true, wonderful even. I praise God that He has used you for so long. However, it is not enough to rest on your laurels as a seasoned minister--you can only ride that so far. It is still bad scholarship to quote only the parts that fit your agenda. Read his WHOLE book. Take it ALL in. And then write an article.
Also, though I am young, please don't think me stupid or immature. I, too, am a minister of the Gospel. It's a terrible thing, whether you think it is or not, to call into question the validity of someone's ministry as you do with Rob Bell's. All I am saying is "be careful." You come off sounding pretty ignorant to the thousands who have grown in their relationship with Christ, due to Rob Bell's ministry.
Your fellow minister in Christ, Barrett Case Click here to reply to this post
Re: Rob Bell Tolls on the Bible
Posted On: 08/26/06 02:59:47 PM
Age 38, PA
Mr. Silva,
I will respectfully disagree with your comments on Bell's comments in your article.
One gets very spurious interpretations of Scripture when one does not understand the historical contexts, the ocassion for writing the letter, the rhetorical context, etc. Those contexts are sometimes explained within Scripture itself, usually not though. So, in many, many cases it has been found that we misinterpreted Scripture because we did not understand the contexts.
One example is the term, 'evangelion' or 'good news.' A plain reading of the term would not give due understanding of what was being said by Paul. In fact, the word 'kurios' or 'lord' (in relation to Jesus)and what the early Christians were claiming about Jesus would not be fully understood without extra-biblical understanding.
Jim Click here to reply to this post
Re: Rob Bell Tolls on the Bible
Posted On: 08/24/06 10:06:36 AM
Age 51, NH
Hello Barrett,
You say: "I am highly disappointed, and even shocked at your comments on Rob Bell and Velvet Elvis." Dr. Francis Schaeffer once stated, "Honest questions deserve honest answers." The principle behind that applies here. I'm sure you are upset and the truth has a way of doing that which unfortunately I can't help. Then you say: "please have an informed opinion." Meaning no disrespect because you seem very sincere, but I have been a minister fot he Gospel for about as long as you've been on the planet and I ask you to consider it might be possible I would have a more informed opinion than you theologically. I have read words like Bell writes in VE from a number of other sources and recognize what they mean. Then you suggest: "You conveniently place ellipses at the end of some of his thoughts to make your point. This is poor scholarship, indeed. Worse than that, I am not sure it qualifies as scholarship at all." I forgive you here and this is where your youth begins to show as I can see the passion you have to defend Bell starts to get the best of you. I can't quote his whole book and yes I abbreviate his quotes to make the points that need to be made. I must rely on the Lord to show you, but what Bell is saying has been said before by men like Bultmann and Fosdick and Barth and McLaren - same line of reasoning that we must "interpret" Scripture, etc. Who says we don't? Barrett these guys are using that term to set up their own liberal bias as the criterion for interpreting the Bible. It's a large part of my job to point that out to perople like you who aren't trained in this field as I am. You say: "Trust me, Rob Bell believes scripture to be inspired and infalliable as originally recorded and uses it as the basis of his teaching. If he didn't believe in its truth, I am sure that he would not be doing what he is doing." How do you know that Barrett? Have you talked with him personally? This is what I'm asked all the time by those who follow him. So now what do we do? We go to the Bible and measure what Bell says about the Bible and in part 2 you'll see he falls woefully short as a genuine pastor-teacher. He denies sola Scriptura, a cardinal doctrine of the Church he claims to be part of, and then through linguistic gymnastics attempts make that sound consistent with true Biblical Christianity. He fails to make that case because his neo-orthodox/neo-liberal view of the Bible is heretical. And study history and you will see that once a man opens that door the lord will abandon him. I humbly suggest you not waste your time worrying that I might "bad mouth God's Servants" or be concerned I am "condemning those whom God has commended," and pray that God will grant Rob Bell repentance before it's too late for him. You see Barrett, before I could "badmouth" Bell as a true servant of the LORD God Almighty or be rightfully accused of "condemning" someone whom "God has commended" Rob Bell would first have to become such. Pastor Ken Silva Click here to reply to this post
Re: Rob Bell Tolls on the Bible
Posted On: 08/23/06 02:18:38 PM
Age 23, KS
Mr. Silva,
I am highly disappointed, and even shocked at your comments on Rob Bell and Velvet Elvis. Now, don't get me wrong, you are free to have an opinion on him and his book, but please have an informed opinion.
You quote a few sections from his book, but you do so out of context. You conveniently place ellipses at the end of some of his thoughts to make your point. This is poor scholarship, indeed. Worse than that, I am not sure it qualifies as scholarship at all. By doing this I can say that Jesus said "...Hate your enemies..." Do you see what I mean? You can make anyone say anything as long as you don't take into consideration the whole of what they said.
I encourage you to read the surrounding paragraphs of what Rob Bell said and make an informed decision and opinion about what he has to say about Scripture.
Trust me, Rob Bell believes scripture to be inspired and infalliable as originally recorded and uses it as the basis of his teaching. If he didn't believe in its truth, I am sure that he would not be doing what he is doing. Also, before you bad mouth God's Servants--the ones you call Hollow Men--make sure you aren't condemning those whom God has commended.
Sincerely,
Barrett Case Click here to reply to this post
Re: Rob Bell Tolls on the Bible
Posted On: 08/22/06 03:59:05 PM
Age 16, TN
First, let me thank you for the kind comment you left, Mr. Silva, in the feedback section on one of your past articles on Mr. Bell. I have, and will continue to, look into those articles and do more research into this man and general subject.
While the things Mr. Bell has said are certainly enough to put me on guard, I would point out one very important point he is displaying that I would agree with. I do not believe that he is attempting to denounce the authority of Scripture, but more, the authority of OUR VIEW of Scripture. Certainly that idea should be approached cautiously-but I like the emphasis he puts on putting the Word of God (and a desire to study it in context) at such a high level. His desire to 'change' Christianity is however, something to be cautious about.
Mr. Silva, if you ever have the opportunity, I wonder if you could tell me what you know of John Burke's book 'No Perfect People Allowed: Creating a Come-as-you-are Community in the Church'
-KJ Click here to reply to this post